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Postby Flumm on Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:35 pm

Mmm, where for art thou, wonka? :(

It would have been nice to have this as the third in Wonka's "General" compliment, a place to talk generally about a given topic...

( see General Movie Reviews & General Coaxial)

...but this felt like the very kind of thing to be disposed in this kind of thread.

If you're out there FutureWonka, and you wanna make this relevant to the story, and go for a hat trick by setting up shop with the General Music thread elsewheres, then by all means feel free to make it so, brother...

Untill then, I thought this was reasonably post worthy...


BBC NEWS wrote:
McCartney to contest abuse claim
Heather Mills and Paul McCartney

Mills met Sir Paul in 1999 through charity work and married in 2002
Sir Paul McCartney has said he will "vigorously" defend allegations that he violently abused Heather Mills during their four-year marriage.

A statement issued through his lawyers said he would "very much like to respond in public and in detail".

"But he recognises, on advice, that the only correct forum for his response... is in the current divorce proceedings."

The Daily Mail says court papers filed on Lady McCartney's behalf allege Sir Paul abused her and used illegal drugs.

According to the newspaper, court papers relating to the divorce say that the former Beatle subjected his wife to violent attacks, including one incident in which her arm was cut with a broken wine glass.


Our client is saddened by the breakdown of his marriage and requests that his family is allowed to conduct their personal affairs out of the media spotlight for the sake of everybody involved
Sir Paul's statement, issued through his solicitors, Payne Hicks Beach

Sir Paul's statement, issued through his solicitors, Payne Hicks Beach, said he had "maintained his silence in not commenting on the media stories believing that it was best for all concerned, particularly his children, for there to be some dignity in what is a private matter".

"Our client is saddened by the breakdown of his marriage and requests that his family is allowed to conduct their personal affairs out of the media spotlight for the sake of everybody involved," it added.

Earlier on Wednesday, during a pre-planned appearance on the BBC's City Hospital programme, Lady McCartney refused to comment on the allegations.

But her law firm says she "stands by everything that has been filed at court".

The Daily Mail says its story is based on a 13-page legal document, which it says was filed in response to Sir Paul's divorce petition.

'Press intrusion'

Law firm Mischon de Reya, which represents Lady McCartney, said it would "not comment on leaked or allegedly leaked documents".

(PHOTO - Sir Paul McCartney and Heather Mills pose for cameras the day before their wedding. The couple wed in the Republic of Ireland in 2002)

However, it added: "Lady Heather Mills McCartney stands by everything that has been filed at court on her behalf and intends to prove its truth in due course, should this be necessary.

"We would ask that the parties' privacy, during what is a difficult and emotional time, is respected."

Despite such pleas, the McCartneys' divorce has been closely followed by Britain's tabloid newspapers.

Sir Paul has posted several messages on his website discrediting "inaccurate stories" and the "malicious spreading of rumours and made-up facts" since their separation.

The McCartneys married in June 2002. They met in 1999 through Lady McCartney's work for her charity, launched after losing a leg in a motorbike accident in 1993.

Announcing their separation in May, the couple said they had "found it increasingly difficult to maintain a normal relationship with constant intrusion into our private lives".


I'm trying to find further details of the claims themselves, as they are pretty unbelievable reading, but I thought that might be enough to go on, for the moment.

I suppose he wouldn't be the first Beatle to raise his hands in anger towards his spouse, but still, it all seems kind of incredible, no?

What seems most unsettling about it to me, is the way it's been reported, which seems to make it sound like more than some sort of disposable, celebrity centered scandelous scandel, fabricated and fluffed by the tabloids, and actually genuine submissions given by Mill's people in the divorce prodeedings....

Topical McCartney Vs Mills popculture story in PZ thread form says hello, you say...


(And if all you can offer is a good Beatles pun at this point, or just wish to talk about music, in a general fashion, you know, then that's OK, too.)

((All I could come up with was Helter Belt Her, which was denied, as it has shades of mysogony which I find unsettling))
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Postby Brocktune on Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:39 pm

i hope paul takes that bitch's phony-ass leg, and beats her the fuck to death with it.







..unless she isn't lying.
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Postby wonkabar on Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:46 pm

As you wish
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Postby wonkabar on Wed Oct 18, 2006 11:41 pm

So does anybody else here secretly kinda dig Hall & Oats?
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:26 am

wonkabar wrote:So does anybody else here secretly kinda dig Hall & Oats?


yes.

particularly "I Can't Go For That (No Can Do)". Works really well on a mixtape/cd/dj set, particularly when paired with "Billie Jean".
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Postby wonkabar on Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:28 am

That is a good combo
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Postby Retardo_Montalban on Thu Oct 19, 2006 12:38 am

If it's Hall & Oates your looking for, then I give you


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Postby doglips on Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:20 pm

So has anyone got the new Deftones LP yet?

Thoughts if you have, I'm loving it.
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Postby Wazoo on Fri Nov 24, 2006 9:39 pm

Yep, I have. Not as good as WHITE PONY, but a fresh step up from the woeful '03 release.
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Postby DennisMM on Fri Nov 24, 2006 10:46 pm

Thinking about sound-alikes, when a band for no obvious reason puts out a record that sounds very much like another band. I'm old, so these are not recent, but:

1. "Long Cool Woman in a Black Dress" by the Hollies sounds like Creedence Clearwater Revival.

2. "Crazy on You" by Heart sounds like early Jefferson Starship.

3. "Stuck in the Middle with You" by Steeler's Wheel sounds very much like early '70s Bob Dylan.

4. The one that made me think about this was "Ain't Even Done with the Night" by John Cougar, which sounds blatantly like 1974 Bruce Springsteen. Mellencamp was a Springsteen rip-off for more than a few years, but this song sounds like he sampled and remixed basic elements. It's got a disaffected narrator, a squeling sax solo in the middle and some basic overdone production. This followed his hit from the previous year, "I Need a Lover," which was even more blatant in its ripoffiness and featured a "Jungleland"-influenced intro that consumed nearly half the song. Even then I thought it sounded ridiculous and I liked overblown Meat Loaf.

Anyone care to run with this?
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Sat Nov 25, 2006 1:16 am

DennisMM wrote:3. "Stuck in the Middle with You" by Steeler's Wheel sounds very much like early '70s Bob Dylan.


i can see it, but as a codicil I would add that Stuck in the Middle with You borrows from more than "early 70's Dylan". That bass line is funky as all get out, showing an ear for 'da soul-funk movement and Northern Soul. And the handclaps can come from any number of sources.
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Postby DennisMM on Sat Nov 25, 2006 2:21 am

Very much agreed. My mention came mostly from two aspects. The rhythmic structure is quite Dylanesque, and Gerry Rafferty's vocal much resembles some of Dylan's work.
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Postby minstrel on Sat Nov 25, 2006 3:03 am

Hi, Dennis,

Lots and lots of people (81,433 at last official count) sounded like Dylan in the early 70s.

Funny about "Long Cool Woman" - I never noticed that before, but you are right. It sounds like cleaned-up CCR. The beat is very CCR, and the vocal sounds a lot like John Fogerty trying to impress his mom. Well spotted!

I don't get the "Crazy On You" - Jefferson Starship connection. Ann Wilson is a rock singer, and Grace Slick sounds much more like a folk singer in a rock band.

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Postby DennisMM on Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:46 pm

It's the individual-song resemblances that are the point for me; in my experience Steeler's Wheel didn't usually sound much like Dylan. But YMMV as they still say.
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Postby TonyWilson on Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:52 pm

Anyone heard of The Chalets?
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Postby Peven on Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:00 pm

wonkabar wrote:So does anybody else here secretly kinda dig Hall & Oats?


i proudly dig on Hall&Oates. their greatest hits cd gets regular play in my house and vehicle. but then, most of their hits came out as i was a kid so i realize there is some nostalgia action at work, but then my kids all dig them too.
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Postby Fievel on Sat Nov 25, 2006 11:20 pm

DennisMM wrote: Thinking about sound-alikes, when a band for no obvious reason puts out a record that sounds very much like another band. ..........
Anyone care to run with this?


-Most of Lenny Kravitz's hits in the 90's had a similar-feeling song from the 70's. He was either channeling Hendrix, Zeppelin, or one of their friends.

-Bush was better when they were members of Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Nirvana

-Creed was only marginally better when they were members of Bush (see above). Hell, even tha Australian group Silverchair had more rights to this sound than Creed did.

-Does every AC/DC hit song have a twin sibling in their catalogue, or does every song just sound the same?

-Do school bands and pro sports PA sound guys realize that they're playing the music of a convicted pedophile every time they play Rock & Roll: Part 2 by Gary Glitter?

-I hate that new John "Don't Call Me Cougar" Mellencamp song - This Is Our Country and want to punch him in the throat so that I know he'll never be able to sing it again, and then I want to destroy every Chevy truck on the planet. That is the most overplayed song on TV commercials right now.

-I think Fiona Apple is one of the most underrated musicians (labled as a pop star) around.

-I cried tears of joy when Ted Nugent moved out of Michigan.

-I have now realized that I've tangented my way out of the previously quoted post and am now lost. Help.
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Postby DennisMM on Sun Nov 26, 2006 12:18 am

I can only hope that Mellencamp is broker than broke, because if he isn't he's sold himself to the man completely rather than out of sheer desperation.
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Postby Brocktune on Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:58 pm

so i saw the video for "Fergielicious" the other day. now, im not one to bash fergie, even in the face of some of the most craptacular music to ever dribble out of the prolapsed anus that is american pop music. despite the fact that she has a face that looks like it must have sniffed about a million different lines of a million different substances, off of a million different toilet tanks in a million different porno theatres, i would ravage that chick like she was the last female on earth and i hadnt had a piece in 20 years. however, i cant remain silent on this one.

so does anyone remember this song "fergielicious" from the first time it was released, and it was called "SUPERSONIC" by "J.J. Fad"? because i do. it is exactly the same fucking song. this is the worst case of musical plagiarism since those hacks coldplay ripped kraftwerk off in the most bold faced manner. (incidentally, "fergielicious" also contains a kraftwerk sample). like, does nobody remember that song. i know people have probably worked hard to forget it, but within 5 seconds of hearing the fergie song, my head was going "its supa-sonic". fuck, she even does the rap part, AND the alphabetical break down. influence or homage is one thing, but blatantly ripping someone off, is inexcusable. yeah yeah yeah, i know that stravinsky said "great composers steal, lesser composers merely borrow", but i dont buy that shit. fuckin rip-off artists!

anyways, it does not get more random musically than this. but the next time you are thinking about cranking fergie's record up to eleven, maybe think about poor j.j. fad, in the retirement home, starving and unable to afford their meds, because some motherfuckers are just too goddamned cheap to pay for what they have taken.

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Postby magicmonkey on Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:06 am

Yeah its odd, I don't understand why Gwen Stefani's yodelling song has the same staccato rap style as the Black eyed peas "my lumps". I suspect pop espionage!
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Postby Brocktune on Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:09 am

and might i add that that is gwen stefani's most annoying song to date.

and i thought "hollaback girl" was atrocious.

dear god!
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Postby magicmonkey on Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:13 am

I've heard her whole new album and sadly it doesn't really explore any of the more diverse experients of "No Doubt". It has attitude, just nothing sonically crazy other than riffing on cheesy Euro-pop of the early 90's.
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Postby minstrel on Sat Dec 09, 2006 12:24 am

DennisMM wrote:I can only hope that Mellencamp is broker than broke, because if he isn't he's sold himself to the man completely rather than out of sheer desperation.


Oh god, thank you thank you thank you that someone else has noticed just how diarrhea lame Mellencamp's "Our Country" song is. It's actually phenomenal. Cliche upon cliche upon cliche, delivered with professional polish instead of conviction. Chevy probably said, "Give us a new song. Seger's 'Like A Rock' is a little old after a hundred years." So Mellencamp said "Sure" and spent maybe eleven minutes writing this stupid, asinine drivel. The thing that's most annoying is that Mellencamp has written good songs in the past - he must KNOW he's spewing diseased filth, but hey, he took the money.

Rock and roll was once daring, fresh, and great because of it. Now it's corporate chowder. And we still try to call ourselves a great country.

Fuck Mellencamp. That song makes me puke. And it makes me want to piss on the USA and all those Chevy trucks, and that's the opposite effect Chevy intended.

Rant over. Thanks for your time.
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Postby Brocktune on Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:33 pm

minstrel wrote:
DennisMM wrote:I can only hope that Mellencamp is broker than broke, because if he isn't he's sold himself to the man completely rather than out of sheer desperation.


Oh god, thank you thank you thank you that someone else has noticed just how diarrhea lame Mellencamp's "Our Country" song is. It's actually phenomenal. Cliche upon cliche upon cliche, delivered with professional polish instead of conviction. Chevy probably said, "Give us a new song. Seger's 'Like A Rock' is a little old after a hundred years." So Mellencamp said "Sure" and spent maybe eleven minutes writing this stupid, asinine drivel. The thing that's most annoying is that Mellencamp has written good songs in the past - he must KNOW he's spewing diseased filth, but hey, he took the money.


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!1

i absolutely LOATHE that song, and mellencamp, and chevy, and those fucked up commercials they play 2 or 3 times every single commercial break during every single football game. i mean, could a song possibly be more generic, contrived, and pathetic? dont sing to me about the pathetic lifestyle choices of the tools who hear this shit song, and go "yup, thats me" motherfucker. you dont fucking speak for me, and this aint gods america, so drop the fuck dead asshole

FUCK!
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Tue Dec 12, 2006 11:59 pm

Who can help me with this. A freind of mine is thinking of getting into some US acoustic rock or pop or folk/whatever music. Something chilled, similar to Elliot Smith, or without being Dumbledore, Bright Eyes. Nothing heave, just easy going. He was given a list of artists such as Bonnie Prince Billy, Sufjan Stevens, Ryan Adams of course, Iron and Wine, Wilco, but this guy doesn't know these artists that well. So yeah, think early Bob Dylan recordings in terms of production lightness. Simple acoustic guitar, not much more.
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Postby thebostonlocksmith on Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:01 am

Ray lamontagne is quite good... and is both acoustic and folky-ish...
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Postby Brocktune on Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:05 am

Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Who can help me with this. A freind of mine is thinking of getting into some US acoustic rock or pop or folk/whatever music. Something chilled, similar to Elliot Smith, or without being my lover, Bright Eyes. Nothing heave, just easy going. He was given a list of artists such as Bonnie Prince Billy, Sufjan Stevens, Ryan Adams of course, Iron and Wine, Wilco, but this guy doesn't know these artists that well. So yeah, think early Bob Dylan recordings in terms of production lightness. Simple acoustic guitar, not much more.


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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:53 am

Thanks guys for your names. My friend will check them out on the internet. Meanwhile my friend has just finsihed Blood On The Tracks which he thinks is a bloody good album, and particularly likes Buckets of Rain at the end.
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Postby thebostonlocksmith on Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:58 am

If anyone says 'James Blunt' I'll stamp on there pets...
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:01 am

Fievel wrote:
DennisMM wrote: Thinking about sound-alikes, when a band for no obvious reason puts out a record that sounds very much like another band. ..........
Anyone care to run with this?


-Most of Lenny Kravitz's hits in the 90's had a similar-feeling song from the 70's. He was either channeling Hendrix, Zeppelin, or one of their friends.


I doubled over in laughter when he released a song called "Rock n Roll Is Dead" which featured the best Zeppelin riff never recorded by Jimmy Page. For some reason Kravitz doesn't like to talk about his album Circus.

Fievel wrote:-Bush was better when they were members of Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Nirvana


Actually, Bush was ripping off The Pixies. Rossdale even said as much in a Rolling Stone interview. Go listen to "Bone Machine" again and you'll see that it is the blueprint for every Bush song ever.

Fievel wrote:-Creed was only marginally better when they were members of Bush (see above). Hell, even tha Australian group Silverchair had more rights to this sound than Creed did.


I always thought Creed was ripping off Soundgarden ripping off Black Sabbath. They just didn't have any imagination. Or talent. Silverchair always said their influences were Tool and Helmet, which I can hear. It also helps that they weren't fronted by an egotistical asshole with a Jesus complex.

Fievel wrote:-Does every AC/DC hit song have a twin sibling in their catalogue, or does every song just sound the same?


Yes.

Fievel wrote:-Do school bands and pro sports PA sound guys realize that they're playing the music of a convicted pedophile every time they play Rock & Roll: Part 2 by Gary Glitter?


No.

Fievel wrote:-I hate that new John "Don't Call Me Cougar" Mellencamp song - This Is Our Country and want to punch him in the throat so that I know he'll never be able to sing it again, and then I want to destroy every Chevy truck on the planet. That is the most overplayed song on TV commercials right now.


Fuck John Mellencamp. In the ass. With a splintery 2x4. I am so glad I have never heard this song. I don't like to wish ill upon people but maybe another heart attack will give him some humility. Have another smoke John!

Fievel wrote:-I think Fiona Apple is one of the most underrated musicians (labled as a pop star) around.


Seconded.

Fievel wrote:-I cried tears of joy when Ted Nugent moved out of Michigan.


Now we have another reason to point and laugh at Texas.

Fievel wrote:-I have now realized that I've tangented my way out of the previously quoted post and am now lost. Help.


All too glad to help.
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Postby Vegeta on Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:08 am

Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Who can help me with this. A freind of mine is thinking of getting into some US acoustic rock or pop or folk/whatever music. Something chilled, similar to Elliot Smith, or without being my lover, Bright Eyes. Nothing heave, just easy going. He was given a list of artists such as Bonnie Prince Billy, Sufjan Stevens, Ryan Adams of course, Iron and Wine, Wilco, but this guy doesn't know these artists that well. So yeah, think early Bob Dylan recordings in terms of production lightness. Simple acoustic guitar, not much more.


HEY... :shock: I am a big fan of Elliott Smith, Bright Eyes, Ryan Adams, Wilco, and Bob Dylan...

...and Vegeta is about as far as you can get from Dumbledore!!!!!! :evil:
2pay! You wanna start some shit!!!! :wink:
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:38 am

Yeah alright. OK just gimme a list of some other names and that'll do. Thanks.
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Postby Seppuku on Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:55 am

Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Thanks guys for your names. My friend will check them out on the internet. Meanwhile my friend has just finsihed Blood On The Tracks which he thinks is a bloody good album, and particularly likes Buckets of Rain at the end.


Noice. If he likes that maybe he should give Desire a shot too. Dylan released it a year later, and I think it's his best (not many people agree with me though). Although if your friend doesn't like violins I guess he should avoid it like a lipbearded lady in Thailand. Erm...I was drunk and vulnerable, OK!? Let's drop it.

Also check out:

Gene Clark - No Other or White Light

Devendra Banhart

Mark Cozelek (he took a whole bunch of AC/DC songs and completely folked 'em up)

Vashti Bunyan

The Incredible String Band
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Postby The Garbage Man on Wed Dec 13, 2006 2:39 am

Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:I always thought Creed was ripping off Soundgarden ripping off Black Sabbath. They just didn't have any imagination. Or talent.


Agreed. Then you have bands like Puddle of Mud and Nickleback aping Creed. Photocopies of a photocopy of a photocopy...

And don't get me started on Hinder. "New face of rock," my ass.
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:47 pm

Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Fuck John Mellencamp. In the ass. With a splintery 2x4. I am so glad I have never heard this song. I don't like to wish ill upon people but maybe another heart attack will give him some humility. Have another smoke John!


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA~~HAAHAHAHAHAHA~HAHAHAHA!!!!!!

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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Thu Dec 14, 2006 6:51 pm

Hinder. Every time I see or hear them I pronounce it in my head as "hine-der." Y'know, because they sound like ass.
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Postby The Vicar on Fri Dec 15, 2006 9:21 pm

minstrel wrote:
DennisMM wrote:I can only hope that Mellencamp is broker than broke, because if he isn't he's sold himself to the man completely rather than out of sheer desperation.


Oh god, thank you thank you thank you that someone else has noticed just how diarrhea lame Mellencamp's "Our Country" song is. It's actually phenomenal. Cliche upon cliche upon cliche, delivered with professional polish instead of conviction. Chevy probably said, "Give us a new song. Seger's 'Like A Rock' is a little old after a hundred years." So Mellencamp said "Sure" and spent maybe eleven minutes writing this stupid, asinine drivel. The thing that's most annoying is that Mellencamp has written good songs in the past - he must KNOW he's spewing diseased filth, but hey, he took the money.

Rock and roll was once daring, fresh, and great because of it. Now it's corporate chowder. And we still try to call ourselves a great country.

Fuck Mellencamp. That song makes me puke. And it makes me want to piss on the USA and all those Chevy trucks, and that's the opposite effect Chevy intended.

Rant over. Thanks for your time.


Very nice rant, though
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Postby Brocktune on Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:52 pm

just listening to Pink Martini's version of the standard "Brazil" on their "Sympathique" record, and ive got to say, ill be damned if there isnt some direct homage-ing to michael kamen's version that plays over the end credits of Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" going on in there. what with the childrens choir and all. the only thing missing is that twangy hawaiian guitar at the end. (thats the best part about the kamen score, imo). very nice indeed.

although, Cornelius's version of the song on his "Point" record still gets the credit for being the best version out there. crooners be damned.
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Postby buster00 on Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:44 am

Brocktune wrote:
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DennisMM wrote:I can only hope that Mellencamp is broker than broke, because if he isn't he's sold himself to the man completely rather than out of sheer desperation.


Oh god, thank you thank you thank you that someone else has noticed just how diarrhea lame Mellencamp's "Our Country" song is. It's actually phenomenal. Cliche upon cliche upon cliche, delivered with professional polish instead of conviction. Chevy probably said, "Give us a new song. Seger's 'Like A Rock' is a little old after a hundred years." So Mellencamp said "Sure" and spent maybe eleven minutes writing this stupid, asinine drivel. The thing that's most annoying is that Mellencamp has written good songs in the past - he must KNOW he's spewing diseased filth, but hey, he took the money.


For what it's worth, Mellencamp has been playing that song in concert for about a year now. He really didn't write it specifically for Chevy.

That said, it's a wretched, runny piece of shit; on my "Worst of '06" List for sure.
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i absolutely LOATHE that song, and mellencamp, and chevy, and those fucked up commercials they play 2 or 3 times every single commercial break during every single football game. i mean, could a song possibly be more generic, contrived, and pathetic? dont sing to me about the pathetic lifestyle choices of the tools who hear this shit song, and go "yup, thats me" motherfucker. you dont fucking speak for me, and this aint gods america, so drop the fuck dead asshole

FUCK!


For what it's worth, Mellencamp's been playing that song in concert for about a year now. He really didn't write it specifically for Chevy.

That said, it's a wretched, runny piece of shit; "Worst of '06" material for sure.
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Postby DennisMM on Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:19 pm

Yeah, Chevy did buy it rather than commission it. Still sucks. Mellencamp has moved from absolute hack in his early Johnny Cougar days to aging, gimme-the-money hack as his career starts to sink beneath his multiple alimony and health care expenses.

On another topic:

A few days ago I was listening to Denver's Album Rock Station, The Mountain. They are an "album rock" station because they play classic album cuts as opposed to the singles versions. but ninety percent of these songs are merely album versions of THE SAME DAMNED BILLBOARD HOT HUNDRED TRACKS YOU HEAR ON ANY "CLASSIC ROCK" STATION!

It's nice to hear Ray Davies sing, "and it tastes just like COCA Cola" instead of "cherry cola" when "Lola" comes on, but it's still "Lola"! If you're gonna yank out Lola vs. the Powerman & the Money-Go-Round Pt. 1," put on "Top of the Pops." Play "Apeman," even (which, to their credit, they have on occasion)! If your listeners are supposed to be semi-sophisticated, treat them that way! Playing some Steely Dan? "Deacon Blue" is musical art of the highest order, but how about "Black Cow" for a change?

All of this leads into my recent exposure to the audio pestilence that is "Sweet Home Alabama." Is there a "classic" rock song that better demonstrates the composer/performer's divorcement from reality? "In Birmingham we love the governor/we all did what we could do/Watergate does not bother me/Does your conscience bother you?/Tell the truth."

What? What? FUCKING WHAT? Do I have to go into detail on this?
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:59 am

you forgot the "boo boo boo" after governor...
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Postby DennisMM on Thu Jan 11, 2007 11:29 am

LOL! Were it "boo" the song would be inadvertently hilarious.
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Postby TonyWilson on Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:38 am

How loudness is damaging music

I found this really interesting. I've certainly noticed it recently. The Raconteurs album is guilty of this I think, it's all so very very loud and there is ditortion across the whole thing, it's very messy. I have to fiddle with the EQ but it's still overly distorted in parts.

Also, it's kinda depressing that loudness has become an all important factor. I mean for fuckssake, the lowest common denominator possible is now the the most important.
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Postby mistertim on Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:22 am

TonyWilson wrote:How loudness is damaging music

I found this really interesting. I've certainly noticed it recently. The Raconteurs album is guilty of this I think, it's all so very very loud and there is ditortion across the whole thing, it's very messy. I have to fiddle with the EQ but it's still overly distorted in parts.

Also, it's kinda depressing that loudness has become an all important factor. I mean for fuckssake, the lowest common denominator possible is now the the most important.


Anoter great example is the first two chemical brothers albums. they're so heavily compressed that if you paly them through a studio PPM (volume meter), the needle is at about 3/4 of the way along (the loudest you can get to before it distorts) and *never* moves, throughought the whole 74 minutes. There are no dynamics at all.
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Postby tapehead on Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:32 am

TonyWilson wrote:I found this really interesting. I've certainly noticed it recently. The Raconteurs album is guilty


I wonder if that's why the vinyl release (which I've heard, and dubbed to mini disc, but don't own) sounds so much better?

I've noticed in the Guardian article that Iggy and the Stooges Raw Pwer CD remaster version also gets mentioned - audiophiles I know always express a strong preference for the Vinyl MONO version
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Postby TonyWilson on Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:41 am

That's a good point, tape. I hardly ever buy vinyl anymore really, I went through a phase a few years back of getting everything on vinyl but I gave it up once mp3's and ipods became prevalent. I shall go have a listen to The Golden D by Graham Coxon on vinyl and CD and compare.
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Postby tapehead on Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:44 am

I'm very mp3-centric too, Tony. My vinyl is all in OZ. I think I'm lucky in that my old man always used to play records into the age of tapes and cd's so I had an appreciation.
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Postby Brocktune on Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:45 pm

i still buy records whenever possible. nothing beats em.
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Postby TonyWilson on Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:46 pm

Cheers for the bump BT, I had a listen to the album on differing formats and it seems as though Coxon is not guilty of this. The CD is just as nuanced and the vinyl really. There's an atmosphere the record has that doesn't come across in CD but it's nothing to do witht hedynamics of the volume.
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Postby Brocktune on Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:59 pm

same thing with nirvana's "in utero". when it first came out, the vinyl was released like a week before the cd. i picked it up the day it came out. i couldnt wait to listen to it that night. as it began to play, and the opening feedback and chords of "serve the servants" started to flood my ears, it just sounded right. that obvious steve albini production on the drums.... it just sounded like it belonged on vinyl. like it was intended to be heard that way.
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