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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:14 pm
by Worst Part's Almost Over
Nordling wrote:The songcraft is the best I've heard yet. "The Angel And The One" may be the best song they ever wrote. It's beautiful, and it builds from a simple melody to something rather epic. I think the honesty that people love about PINKERTON is back. There's a lot of cock-swagger songs too, but they're definitely tongue-in-cheek and "The Greatest Man That Ever Lived" is just brilliantly stupid/clever.

Music is the most subjective medium there is, in my opinion. Different songs strike different emotions in people. And this album feels like coming home to me.


Thanks dude! I prefer to know people's full opinions, that's all. Wasn't trying to be argumentative - I just love talking about stuff in depth :D

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:18 pm
by Nordling
Oh, no problem at all. Thanks for reading.

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:47 pm
by Fried Gold
It is a very good album, but it is not their best to date. After an exceptional and strong start, the middle falls away with a couple of mediocre songs. (Two of the "bonus" tracks are superior songs and could have been swapped in)

It then rises out of the trough at the end with two, again, strong tracks - Automatic is a far better Cuomo-alternative to Thought I Knew, and The Angel and the One is certainly a very moving denouement.

Meladroit was my favourite of their post-hiatus albums. But this is now contending for that spot.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 5:44 pm
by Vicarious
I can't wait to hear the album tomorrow.... I can't believe I've held off from listening. Apparently the 4 bonus tracks on the deluxe version are good, so that'll be the version I get.

If anyone would be so kind as to click on the link below, I'd be forever grateful. It's pretty shameless but I'm trying to get entered into a contest for the Weezer street team. I need like 250 clicks or something.

http://tinyurl.com/4qsebh

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 6:38 pm
by Fried Gold
Vicarious wrote: Apparently the 4 bonus tracks on the deluxe version are good, so that'll be the version I get.

There are actually 8 bonus tracks in total. But yeah they are good - two of them are better than some of the proper album tracks.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:04 pm
by Vicarious
Fried Gold wrote:
Vicarious wrote: Apparently the 4 bonus tracks on the deluxe version are good, so that'll be the version I get.

There are actually 8 bonus tracks in total. But yeah they are good - two of them are better than some of the proper album tracks.


I was referring to the originals, of which there are like 5 or 6 (4 on the American deluxe), but I am interested in hearing some of the covers they recorded.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:29 pm
by Nordling
The additional deluxe songs are great, especially "Pig" and "It's Easy." Really like their "Weight" cover too.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:35 pm
by Vegeta
Bonus tracks? Deluxe tracks? Where did you guys get your copy? My copy has ten tracks (like just about every other Weezer album).

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:36 pm
by Nordling
On iTunes there's 6 additional songs if you pre-ordered the Deluxe version. Then the British version has a cover of "The Weight." And then there's two more covers floating around somewhere, I heard.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:40 pm
by Vegeta
I love "The Weight", but the original is such a perfect song, I don't know if even Weezer can do it justice.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:42 pm
by Nordling
It's practically note for note. Just a little bit faster.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:53 pm
by Tyrone_Shoelaces
Just got the record. Good stuff. One listen thus far. The bonus tracks I, uh, found were "Miss Sweeney," "Pig," "The Spider," and "King."

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:45 pm
by Fried Gold
Bonus tracks:

US Deluxe - "Miss Sweeney", "Pig", "The Spider", "King"

iTunes Bonus - "It's Easy", "I Can Love"

UK Bonus - "The Weight", "Life's What You Make It" + one other.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:08 pm
by Nordling
I'll have to hunt down those UK songs. I'm a completist.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 6:48 pm
by Fried Gold
We sadly won't get them for a another week or two, as the UK release date is 16th June. It's not even on iTunes here yet.

I think there may also be some Japan-release bonus tracks to add to that now. I guess they'll all end up being b-sides (if b-sides exist anymore).

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:25 pm
by hackett
i love the pork and beans internet love music video ...

hopefully some of the classic weezer music video directors...Jonze and Marcos will be able to come back and do some more work

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:06 pm
by Nordling
I actually haven't seen the video yet. I kinda don't want to spoil the song with imagery.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:13 pm
by Fried Gold
Nordling wrote:I actually haven't seen the video yet. I kinda don't want to spoil the song with imagery.

It's not a bad video, but I know what you mean. If one thought the Happy Days video took something away from Buddy Holly, then one might not go for this.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:22 pm
by stereosforgeeks
Fried Gold wrote:
Nordling wrote:I actually haven't seen the video yet. I kinda don't want to spoil the song with imagery.

It's not a bad video, but I know what you mean. If one thought the Happy Days video took something away from Buddy Holly, then one might not go for this.


Its a funny video in and of itself. The unfortunate thing is that most of the jokes will be old in 6 months max which is fine for a youtube vid. Hell it's even a long life for a youtube vid. For a music video however it leaves a lot to be desired.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:24 pm
by Fried Gold
stereosforgeeks wrote:
Fried Gold wrote:
Nordling wrote:I actually haven't seen the video yet. I kinda don't want to spoil the song with imagery.

It's not a bad video, but I know what you mean. If one thought the Happy Days video took something away from Buddy Holly, then one might not go for this.


Its a funny video in and of itself. The unfortunate thing is that most of the jokes will be old in 6 months max which is fine for a youtube vid. Hell it's even a long life for a youtube vid. For a music video however it leaves a lot to be desired.

True. Although having said that, how many people beyond a certain age would understand the Happy Days reference of the Buddy Holly video. Or even the Muppets of Keep Fishin'?

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:26 pm
by stereosforgeeks
Fried Gold wrote:
stereosforgeeks wrote:
Fried Gold wrote:
Nordling wrote:I actually haven't seen the video yet. I kinda don't want to spoil the song with imagery.

It's not a bad video, but I know what you mean. If one thought the Happy Days video took something away from Buddy Holly, then one might not go for this.


Its a funny video in and of itself. The unfortunate thing is that most of the jokes will be old in 6 months max which is fine for a youtube vid. Hell it's even a long life for a youtube vid. For a music video however it leaves a lot to be desired.

True. Although having said that, how many people beyond a certain age would understand the Happy Days reference of the Buddy Holly video. Or even the Muppets of Keep Fishin'?


That speaks more to a generation. youtube and internet jokes go by so fast though that what is funny now will be overplayed too quickly. The Happy Days and Kermit have a timeless quality to them that is sadly missing from any original content on youtube.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:31 pm
by Nordling
I haven't seen "Keep Fishin'" either. I'm not a big fan of videos in general.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:31 pm
by Fried Gold
It is a generational thing.

But I think "Youtube" as a whole will likely stick in the annals of popular culture, even if its individual video phenomena do not.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:38 pm
by stereosforgeeks
Fried Gold wrote:It is a generational thing.

But I think "Youtube" as a whole will likely stick in the annals of popular culture, even if its individual video phenomena do not.


Thats probably true.

It's just with all the referencing of specific internet phenoms, it seems like even if youtube sticks around the video wont be as funny without knowing the reference points.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:41 pm
by Fried Gold
Yeah, I guess one could take it like a snapshot - "Youtube (2005-2008)" - and perhaps the references will live on a little more because of the music video.

...it must've been dirt cheap to make (unless those Youtube "celebrities" have agents now).

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:44 pm
by stereosforgeeks
Fried Gold wrote:Yeah, I guess one could take it like a snapshot - "Youtube (2005-2008)" - and perhaps the references will live on a little more because of the music video.

...it must've been dirt cheap to make (unless those Youtube "celebrities" have agents now).


Hahaha true on both accounts.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:52 pm
by tapehead
Been listening to this all morning - River is sharing the vocal duties a lot more than on any previous albums, and if these guys can go close to approximating the harmonies live it will really something special.

Co- produced n Jacknife Lee and Rick Rubin, wow.

Lots of hip hop and R&B elements to the songwriting, which is interesting...


Pitchfork give it a paltry 4.7

I don't much like the nostalgic bent of a lot of the lyrics, but I don't think it's that bad - a little schmaltzy and over blown at times...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:10 pm
by hackett
its sort of funny, because music videos used to come from the artists' pockets to make (since there wasn't really any money to be made out of them and labels would usually want to control the creative concept of making them ) and now with youtube artists can actually tag on advertising onto the videos and make money.

Hash Pipe was probably my favorite Weezer video. Buddy Holly doesn't really match the song, but it was an excellent piece of cinema for its time.

The only music video , in my mind, that really matched everything in my head was the Fatboy Slim video for Weapon Of Choice (starring the great Max Shrek err Christopher Walken) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMZwZiU0kKs

Others in mind are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue3M_kxb85Y

and Beastie Boys Sabotage (dir by Jonze)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sbqIyeed4g

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:22 pm
by Fried Gold

Giving overly pretentious reviews, unnecessarily low scores and unfair comparisons is something that Pitchfork is renowned for... They tend not to review the album itself, just mutter on about what the band/artist is doing wrong in their opinion. (which would be fine it were a forum or messageboard, but they're actually supposedly paid critics...)


hackett wrote:Buddy Holly doesn't really match the song

With it's references to 50s americana and high school romance, it really kinda does match.

PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 10:31 pm
by tapehead
Fried Gold wrote:
hackett wrote:Buddy Holly doesn't really match the song

With it's references to 50s americana and high school romance, it really kinda does match.


Spike Jonze's videos for Weezer are all classics of the medium - always loved the one-shot video for 'The Sweater Song' as well.

Fried Gold wrote:

Giving overly pretentious reviews, unnecessarily low scores and unfair comparisons is something that Pitchfork is renowned for... They tend not to review the album itself, just mutter on about what the band/artist is doing wrong in their opinion. (which would be fine it were a forum or messageboard, but they're actually supposedly paid critics...)


It's worth noting they gave Make Believe a 0.4 - which was just slightly low...

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:34 pm
by Fried Gold
Unrelated to the new album...some of you may be interested in this

http://www.kyles-sftbh.dikgames.co.uk

This guy has attempted to mix the available Black Hole songs together in a segued style that the possible album was use.

(although slightly non-legal, I figure anyone interested in it already has the songs anyway)

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:55 pm
by Nordling
Wasn't there an Onion article about how Pitchfork gave music in general a 6.4 or something like that?

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:59 pm
by stereosforgeeks
Nordling wrote:Wasn't there an Onion article about how Pitchfork gave music in general a 6.4 or something like that?


Yeah right here

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:12 pm
by hackett
tapehead]
[quote="hackett wrote:
Buddy Holly doesn't really match the song

With it's references to 50s americana and high school romance, it really kinda does match.[/quote]

Spike Jonze's videos for Weezer are all classics of the medium - always loved the one-shot video for 'The Sweater Song' as well.
[/quote]

This was sort of my response to an earlier comment. By that i meant that it doesn't really embrace the dark undertone of the story of a bunch of punks messing out with a guys girl because they are different.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:17 pm
by Fried Gold
hackett wrote:
tapehead wrote:
Fr ied Gold wrote:
hackett wrote:Buddy Holly doesn't really match the song

With it's references to 50s americana and high school romance, it really kinda does match.


Spike Jonze's videos for Weezer are all classics of the medium - always loved the one-shot video for 'The Sweater Song' as well.



This was sort of my response to an earlier comment. By that i meant that it doesn't really embrace the dark undertone of the story of a bunch of punks messing out with a guys girl because they are different.

That's pretty much the story of every Happy Days episode...just with The Fonz stepping in to stop any trouble.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 5:55 pm
by Nordling
Those iTunes bonus tracks aren't just throwaway songs. They don't match the album's aesthetic but damn if they're not great songs on their own.

"Miss Sweeney" and "Pig" are just fantastic, and it's cool that Rivers is letting the other band members contribute their songs, because "King" is pretty damn terrific too.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 12:49 am
by Vicarious
Love this album. It's easily my third favorite of theirs. It's a shame Miss Sweeney didn't make the record. Pig is nice but the acoustic demo that leaked 2 years ago was better... more intimate. I'm probably in the minority in that I'm enjoying the hell out of the other members' contributions. "Red" is just a blast to listen to and they clearly had a similar experience in making it.

Re: The Official(?) WEEZER Thread

PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:33 pm
by Fried Gold
Californian Zoners represent....

TROUBLEMAKER VIDEO SHOOT! In the spirit of the recent Hootenannys, yet going far FAR beyond that at the same time (you'll see...heh heh), is the upcoming video shoot for "Troublemaker". This is taking place in L.A., and Weezer needs you! (and you.... and you.... a LOT of you!) for this shoot. The MAIN requirements are:

* You must be available on August 21st in the Los Angeles Area

* email weezervideo@gmail.com ...NOW.

If/when you get approved, you'll learn more details, like what to wear, what to bring times, places, etc. Hope to see you there!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:11 am
by tapehead
Fried Gold wrote:New album out late June:

Image

That's right....The Red Album.

And that new single's pretty good, very much sounding more akin to the Pinkerton style.


And little more than a year later, the announcement of another new album... RADITUDE... sounds awesome, right?
more here, music nerds...

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:27 pm
by Fried Gold
tapehead wrote:
And little more than a year later, the announcement of another new album... RADITUDE... sounds awesome, right?
more here, music nerds...

And the first single is streaming here.

(Apparently Walmart leaked it into the Intertubes, by streaming on their music download site before they were supposed to, forcing Geffen to bump up the release date. I'm guessing the RIAA won't be persuing Walmart for copyright infringment etc...)

Re: The Official(?) WEEZER Thread

PostPosted: Sun Dec 06, 2009 6:29 pm
by Fievel

Re: The Official(?) WEEZER Thread

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2010 8:36 am
by Fried Gold
Maybe the bus crash did something to him...I heard the new lead single today and wasn't that impressed. Hopefully not a sign for the whole album.

Re: The Official(?) WEEZER Thread

PostPosted: Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:28 pm
by Nice Marmot
Check out Weezer's new album title and cover . . .

http://www.spinner.com/2010/08/09/weeze ... bum-cover/

Re: The Official(?) WEEZER Thread

PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 9:08 am
by Fried Gold
2010 in review:

- Hurley was a rubs album.

- Death to False Metal, a collection of tracks from the past few years that were deemed not good enough for albums use, is rather good.

- A 36-track deluxe edition of Pinkerton is out next month. Awesome.