Theta wrote:-- The system itself is at best a marginal improvement over the XBox 360, so Sony lied once again; it's not going to be a generational leapfrog. I wouldn't be surprised, frankly, to see this edge evaporate once the 360 goes HD-DVD only.
Al_Shut wrote:Shame on you!
I was rereading the whole thread twice because I thought I missed somebody mentioning Tomb Raider earlier.
Feel free to be offtopic but don't use the phrase "Speaking of ...". Have mercy with the dumb, we're easy to confuse
Gheorghe Zamfir wrote:
Sony will be taking on a loss on every console they sell, but so does Microsoft, and Nintendo as well.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Oh please.
For good or ill, SONY pretty much pwns the industry. On the flipside, nobody gives a shit about XBOX, whose only popular title appears to be the outrageously overrated HALO; which is why they had to release their next gen console so early. The PS2 killed the XBOX. They're dead in the water; they've been dead in the water for years. In addition, sales for the 360 have been abyssmal at best. In short, the XBOX is pretty much over (although it may continue to exist for hardcore Bill Gates loyalists.)
SONY, on the other hand, can take their sweet time with the PS3 cause they know that everyone and their mother is already waiting in line to buy one.
Sending out press releases about how powerful and complicated it is is a marketing tactic not unlike the last time when SONY said that the PS2 could be used as a WMD it was so powerful. Corny, maybe, but, who pwns the industry? SONY, by a landslide.
Seriously, your reaching.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Oh please.
For good or ill, SONY pretty much pwns the industry. On the flipside, nobody gives a shit about XBOX, whose only popular title appears to be the outrageously overrated HALO; which is why they had to release their next gen console so early. The PS2 killed the XBOX. They're dead in the water; they've been dead in the water for years. In addition, sales for the 360 have been abyssmal at best. In short, the XBOX is pretty much over (although it may continue to exist for hardcore Bill Gates loyalists.)
SONY, on the other hand, can take their sweet time with the PS3 cause they know that everyone and their mother is already waiting in line to buy one.
Sending out press releases about how powerful and complicated it is is a marketing tactic not unlike the last time when SONY said that the PS2 could be used as a WMD it was so powerful. Corny, maybe, but, who pwns the industry? SONY, by a landslide.
Seriously, your reaching.
Theta wrote:--Xbox 360 sales have not been up to the hype, true.
Theta wrote:Also, you and I might think Halo is overhyped, but it sells systems. There are enough dedicated Xbox fans to keep the system alive, even through all its manufacturing troubles.
Theta wrote:-- This report is not from Sony and is not Sony hype. In fact, the utter silence from Sony over the PS3 has been deafening. They might not even have anything for E3 in May. It's from Merrill Lynch's analysts, who are basically recommended that investors procede with caution in terms of acquiring Sony stock.
Theta wrote:-- Much of what you say about Microsoft you can also apply to Sony. The PS2 has quite a few good games...but few of them are exclusives and none of them were designed in-house.
Theta wrote:--Yes, the PSX zombies will buy one. Yes, the system will sell a few million units. You know what? That's not the issue. The issue is whether other people will, and frankly, I think suburban parents, confronted with a $600, a $300 and a $200 system, are going to go for the $200 and $300 system, especially since the $600 system offers a negligible improvement.
Theta wrote:I personally think the PS3 is going to face the same problem as the PSP.
Theta wrote:My final point is this: The Playstation has lived on hype.
Peven wrote:Zombie, where have you been? "no one cares about X-box"? i can tell you don't do Christmas shopping for kids, or spend much time in GameStop or EB Games stores. the Christmas of '04 the X-box was THE most asked for item at toy/game stores, and i heard clerks telling people how they were sold out, and taking names for waiting lists at a variety of places i where i was buying gifts. i wasn't hearing or seeing anything close to that sort of desire for the PS2. then, this last Christmas it was the X-Box 360 that was sold out before ever having the chance to hit the shelves. are you sure you aren't letting an anti-MS/Gates prejudice cloud your judgement?![]()
on top of that, the games, even ones that are released for PS2 before X-Box, are consistently rated higher in their X-Box versions, with the GTA's being at the top of that list.
seppukudkurosawa wrote: And the name Playstation and Sony means more than Nintendo ever did...
Bluebottle wrote:there's no doubt that the x-box is a superior system when compared to the playstation. the graphics are sharper, the loadtimes are faster and the game play is slightly better.
i don't think anyone is arguing that.
it's what the public will buy... that's the argument.
yeah, the 360 was sold out during christmas, and a lot of people wanted them, but that's because they were SOLD OUT, which increases awareness and creates the belief that it's a hot ticket item.
if a theatre seats 1000 people and is always sold out, is it more successful to the public than a play that seats 1400 but only sells 1200 seats?
the bottom line will be the games, it's always been about the games.
more people own playstations so more companies develop for playstation. it's as simple as that. people will buy the system that looks like it will have the greatest variety of games.
sure x-box is a better machine than the ps2, but i can't get all the games i'd want to play for x-box.
and i like the dual-shock controllers... they're way more comfortable than the x-box controllers. it's stupid but stuff like that is more important to me than how detailed a characters hair looks.
Bluebottle wrote:Look at television, the best shows are rarely in-house productions. A show made for FOX is not necessarily made BY Fox. But if it's a hit, everyone praises FOX.
The Garbage Man wrote:Bluebottle wrote:Look at television, the best shows are rarely in-house productions. A show made for FOX is not necessarily made BY Fox. But if it's a hit, everyone praises FOX.
And then they cancel it.
And the Circle of (Television) Life begins anew.
Theta wrote:Note to Zombie: I'm glad you enjoy your system. It seems to have clouded your judgement, though. Basically, we're going to see, one way or the other, in about ten months.
Bluebottle wrote:although the revolution might seem more exciting since you're not dealing with disks (and i'm presuming you're not sitting on a bunch of old cartridges hoping they'll be usefull again) , who knows what the download fees will be, and how much hard drive space we're talking about.
Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:Laserdisks Rock!! And supposedly the Revolution will be backward compatible to the beginning. NES SNES N64 GC. All of them. But who knows till they come out.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:Laserdisks Rock!! And supposedly the Revolution will be backward compatible to the beginning. NES SNES N64 GC. All of them. But who knows till they come out.
I'll buy the first videogame system that plays EVERY GAME EVER.
Like from ATARI 2600 to COMMODORE 64 and so forth and so on...
I don't care who makes it, I'm buying that... the UNIVERSAL GAMING
SYSTEM! UGS.
Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:Laserdisks Rock!! And supposedly the Revolution will be backward compatible to the beginning. NES SNES N64 GC. All of them. But who knows till they come out.
I'll buy the first videogame system that plays EVERY GAME EVER.
Like from ATARI 2600 to COMMODORE 64 and so forth and so on...
I don't care who makes it, I'm buying that... the UNIVERSAL GAMING
SYSTEM! UGS.
That would be very cool too. I also miss my Indiana Jones game on the 2600. My mom gave it away to a kid across the street. the whole system and all the games.
Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:Laserdisks Rock!! And supposedly the Revolution will be backward compatible to the beginning. NES SNES N64 GC. All of them. But who knows till they come out.
I'll buy the first videogame system that plays EVERY GAME EVER.
Like from ATARI 2600 to COMMODORE 64 and so forth and so on...
I don't care who makes it, I'm buying that... the UNIVERSAL GAMING
SYSTEM! UGS.
That would be very cool too. I also miss my Indiana Jones game on the 2600. My mom gave it away to a kid across the street. the whole system and all the games.
colonel_lugz wrote:Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:That would be very cool too. I also miss my Indiana Jones game on the 2600. My mom gave it away to a kid across the street. the whole system and all the games.
HAHAHA I was playing that the other week, its part of the Lucasarts Classics Collection. Well worth getting hold of.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Theta wrote:Note to Zombie: I'm glad you enjoy your system. It seems to have clouded your judgement, though. Basically, we're going to see, one way or the other, in about ten months.
Clouded my judgement? Now thats what I call irony!
I mean, you can believe anything you need to about Nintendo
or the XBox or the Colecovision, it doesn't really matter; the
numbers don't lie -- Sony is the market leader. Period. Sure
things could change, but given the whole backward comaptibility
thang, its not very likely that people are gonna jump ship from
the Playstation any time in the near future.
Be honest: What do you think your average video game
buyer is going to go for? Not the guy who owns a subscription to
IGN online, has every videogame console ever made, but the
average video game buyer? What do you really think they are
going to buy? The one that plays all the new stuff (like MGS4,
Resident Evil 5 and GTA: Whatever), has the wicked cool superDVD
player and plays all your olde games, or some new system
that has a confusing controller, doesn't have a DVD player and
doesn't play the olde games?
3 guesses and the first two don't count.
Or, in other words, a simple equation:
Playstation = VHS / DVD
Xbox = Betamax
Nintendo = Laser Disc
Again, as Bluebottle pointed out, this isn't about a preference for
a particular system, its about what the average person is going
to buy / drool over. Not what the dude who works at EB games
thinks. You now that guy who hasn't bathed in awhile? The one
all the soccer moms are afraid of / feel sorry for?
Peven wrote:the "average person" is going to look at affordability, and when the "average person" is looking at two systems side by side that are comparable in ability, only one is $200 more than the other, why would they choose to spend the extra $200, especially if they have kids to feed, cloth, pay for orthodontist, etc. plus, the people who are willing to pay $500 for a game system are EXACTLY the kind of people who will pay for an IGN subscription; the single, childless, hardcore gamer types. people like you.![]()
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i have got to ask, Zombie, why are you so vehemently anti-X-Box? it is pretty obvious it goes beyond just liking the PS2 more as a system. comparing the X-Box to beta, and claiming their controllers are confusing is going overboard, i mean, come on, how is the PS2 controller configuration any less confusing? they actually have more buttons than the X-Box controllers with two buttons each for both the right and left forefingers, while the X-Box has just one trigger each, just for instance. and, beta died, and X-Box isn't going anywhere, ever, so that analogy isn't even close to holding up, you know that. so fess up, you're a rabid Gates hater, aren't you?
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Theta wrote:--Xbox 360 sales have not been up to the hype, true.More disasterous than that, man. We're talking resounding failure.
The units just didn't sell. PSPs were flying off the shelves, however.
darylzero2006 wrote:What are you talking about? The Xbox 360 sold out immediately. They just didn't have enough for the demand.
In a month when manufacturing catches up to demand the thing will sell like crazy.
darylzero2006 wrote:What are you talking about? The Xbox 360 sold out immediately. They just didn't have enough for the demand.
In a month when manufacturing catches up to demand the thing will sell like crazy.
Bluebottle wrote:
the ps3 is backwards compatible in that you can put any psx game in the player and play it.
although the revolution might seem more exciting since you're not dealing with disks (and i'm presuming you're not sitting on a bunch of old cartridges hoping they'll be usefull again) , who knows what the download fees will be, and how much hard drive space we're talking about.
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