thomasgaffney wrote:I'll admit that I haven't given the US Office much of a chance. I watched the first episode or two and found it pale comparison to the UK version. I haven't seen the US version since.
For me, the real kicker, and what puts the UK version over the top, is not Gervais vs. Carell, but Martin Freeman as Tim. He absolutely stole that show right out from under Gervais and provided - for me - the biggest laughs.
Doc Holliday wrote:And where do I get my hands on the US version if I don't have the ability to download - is it out already?
John-Locke wrote:As far as Freeman goes, well he always made me feel uncomfortable too because I saw so much of myself in his character, cut a little close to the bone if you will.
Bluebottle wrote:and i wept like a baby at the end of the uk christmas special. i can't see the us version having that kind of an impact.
oh, AND what just crossed my mind... The "dance". Steve Carrell's stupid dance on the booze cruise was so pale in comparison to ricky gervais' stupid dance in the Comic Relief ep.
They should never have even tried to do that one.
John-Locke wrote:Agreed but it was still a great episode, that guy jumping overboard made up for it.
The Wrong Guy wrote:The U.S version is good, the U.K version is better. Freelove Freeway makes all the difference.
Bluebottle wrote:I prefer the UK version because I think the "subtle" humor plays better, the awkward moments are truly awkward. I think the characters on the UK version are a little smarter as well. Gareth is a lot more believable than Dwight, Tim more than Jim and so on... I just dig it more.
RogueScribner wrote:You know, I'm not in the habit of talking to my TV, but when Michael blew Jim's secret last night, I was yelling shit.
Ribbons wrote:What was that thing he said? "Jim is a close, personal friend of mine, so this is only between him, and Pam. ...and me."
RogueScribner wrote:Anyone else go a little ga-ga when Pam let down her hair for a few seconds? Amazing the difference hair can make. Heh heh.
MasterWhedon wrote:Did anyone else watch this last night? I was absolutely floored by the scene between Pam and Jim in the kitchen, and then by Pam breaking down during her confessional. It was so compelling, driving right into the tension between them. I loved how serious Jim was, just trying to push her for something better, and you could see by the look on her face that she just wants him to say it. She's burdened by Roy and she's starting to feel it. That's great television.
Also, I worked in a warehouse for the summers in college, so I WAAAAAY related with Ryan's overachiever getting shouted down, and also with the pissed as hell looks on the workers' faces as Michael dumped the bag of flo-pack. That shit is a bitch to sweep up.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Yeah, last nights episode was great. I read it that Jim has finally realized that Pam is a loser whose life is ruled by fear. Like many young women, she is slowly ruining her life because she is afraid to be happy. Typical, and very realistic.
MasterWhedon wrote:ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Yeah, last nights episode was great. I read it that Jim has finally realized that Pam is a loser whose life is ruled by fear. Like many young women, she is slowly ruining her life because she is afraid to be happy. Typical, and very realistic.
That could be really interesting, but I don't see them letting Jim get over his "crush" any time soon. Thing is, I think they both genuinely love one another but she's afraid to shake things up and he's too honorable to say something. I like that tension, and I see things boiling over soon.
MasterWhedon wrote:ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:Yeah, last nights episode was great. I read it that Jim has finally realized that Pam is a loser whose life is ruled by fear. Like many young women, she is slowly ruining her life because she is afraid to be happy. Typical, and very realistic.
That could be really interesting, but I don't see them letting Jim get over his "crush" any time soon. Thing is, I think they both genuinely love one another but she's afraid to shake things up and he's too honorable to say something. I like that tension, and I see things boiling over soon.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:
Oh yeah, I don't think they're going to drop that thread, but I saw something in the way he was speaking to her, and the way he sort of shook his head and looked at the camera at the end of the episode which showed him to be somewhat exasperrated or even a little disgusted with her.
Lord Voldemoo wrote:ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:
Oh yeah, I don't think they're going to drop that thread, but I saw something in the way he was speaking to her, and the way he sort of shook his head and looked at the camera at the end of the episode which showed him to be somewhat exasperrated or even a little disgusted with her.
I agree with that, but I don't think it was "wow, she really is a loser" disgusted. I think it was "What a waste, if only someone could get her away from whathisname" exasperated.
Lord Voldemoo wrote:agreed Whedon. I don't think Jim saw her as a loser so much as he was disappointed in her inability to stand up to whatshisname and go after something she wants. For that, I think he still blames whathisname, not necessarily Pam.
MasterWhedon wrote:And whatshisname is Roy.
MasterWhedon wrote:Lord Voldemoo wrote:agreed Whedon. I don't think Jim saw her as a loser so much as he was disappointed in her inability to stand up to what'shisname and go after something she wants. For that, I think he still blames whathisname, not necessarily Pam.
Yeah, that's it. Jim's pissed off that he's holding her back, and it sometimes comes off that he's frustrated with her.
And what'shisname is Roy.
ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:The thing with that is it isn't Roy who's holding her back, it's Pam who is holding herself back. Shes afraid of life, and in her crippiling fear, she is slowy but surely ruining her life.
Roys a big meathead jerk, but she could break up with him anytime... if she wasn't afraid.
MasterWhedon wrote:ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:The thing with that is it isn't Roy who's holding her back, it's Pam who is holding herself back. Shes afraid of life, and in her crippiling fear, she is slowy but surely ruining her life.
Roys a big meathead jerk, but she could break up with him anytime... if she wasn't afraid.
Absolutely, but Jim sees it as Roy holding her back. In reality, Pam is too weak a person to stand up to Roy--she could, but she doesn't--and Jim hates the fact that she would even have to stand up to him.
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