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Postby brendonconnelly on Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:32 pm

So, there's a hint on the new Criterion newsletter, but what does anybody know about this?

A new line? What will it be? Films from the last ten years or so? Silents? Porno? Music vidsa nd commercials?

(Is there a Criterion meesageboard anywhere on the web?)
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Re: Criterion Relaunch And New Line Coming Soon

Postby The Ginger Man on Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:41 pm

brendonconnelly wrote:So, there's a hinton the new Criterion newsletter, but what does anybody know about this?

A new line? What will it be? Films from the last ten years or so? Silents? Porno? Music vidsa nd commercials?

(Is there a Criterion meesageboard anywhere on the web?)


I am very serious when I say I would LOVE Criterion to start releasing collecters edition porn.
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Re: Criterion Relaunch And New Line Coming Soon

Postby Kilgore on Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:43 pm

The Ginger Man wrote:
brendonconnelly wrote:So, there's a hinton the new Criterion newsletter, but what does anybody know about this?

A new line? What will it be? Films from the last ten years or so? Silents? Porno? Music vidsa nd commercials?

(Is there a Criterion meesageboard anywhere on the web?)


I am very serious when I say I would LOVE Criterion to start releasing collecters edition porn.


And let me assure you that comes as no suprise to any of us who have read over a dozen of your posts. :D
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Postby brendonconnelly on Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:47 pm

To be honest, I always thought the original Devil in Ms. Jones was something rather special.

Hal Hartley is a fan too.
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Re: Criterion Relaunch And New Line Coming Soon

Postby The Ginger Man on Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:48 pm

Kilgore wrote:
The Ginger Man wrote:
brendonconnelly wrote:So, there's a hinton the new Criterion newsletter, but what does anybody know about this?

A new line? What will it be? Films from the last ten years or so? Silents? Porno? Music vidsa nd commercials?

(Is there a Criterion meesageboard anywhere on the web?)


I am very serious when I say I would LOVE Criterion to start releasing collecters edition porn.


And let me assure you that comes as no suprise to any of us who have read over a dozen of your posts. :D


You flatter me, Kilgore. :mrgreen:

But on a serious note, if you've ever watched documentaries or making of videos for porn, it's just so interesting. I love the interactions of the crew and cast, the interviews with the costume designers, the act of sex as acting or performance piece. It really is something that facinates me.

HBO's series Real Sex had an episode about Boston's Amatuer Porn Festival, and listening to the filmmakers talk about their inspirations or what they were trying to accomplish. The idea of porn as art. Porn Stars as real people attempting to make film. I don't know why I find it so interesting, just do.

Things like Victorian Erotica are already looked upon as forms of art and items of study. I'd like to see that same academic eye turned on modern porn. And Criterion would be the company to do that.
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Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Wed May 17, 2006 11:18 am

I'd buy a Criterion edition of the Alice In Wonderland musical porn. It would have to be widescreen and have commentary by Kristine DeBell. Maybe an interiew with the guy who played Humpty Dumpty. I'm sure he has some great insights into the making of the film. A soundtrack CD would be nice too.
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Postby sleepflower on Wed May 17, 2006 11:34 am

Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:I'd buy a Criterion edition of the Alice In Wonderland musical porn. It would have to be widescreen and have commentary by Kristine DeBell. Maybe an interiew with the guy who played Humpty Dumpty. I'm sure he has some great insights into the making of the film.


I have an unhealthy obsession with Alice in wonderland. Should this be released I may either be locked up or never leave the house.

Seriously though, if extras in porn were as good as 'Porn: a family business' Im hooked. That show is so funny.
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Postby Brocktune on Wed May 17, 2006 1:28 pm

there are supposed to be brand new and improved editions of kurosawa's "seven samurai" "yojimbo" and "sanjuro". perhaps these are to be a part of the new line.
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Postby MadCapsule on Wed May 17, 2006 3:03 pm

Brocktune wrote:there are supposed to be brand new and improved editions of kurosawa's "seven samurai" "yojimbo" and "sanjuro". perhaps these are to be a part of the new line.


Guess I wouldn't mind getting double-dipped on those.

If Criterion does another release of Seven Samurai, they had better include the film restoration featurette that they had on early editions of the current release but mysteriously decided to remove on later editions (i.e. the copy I fucking own!).

And "Yojimbo" and "Sanjuro" were pretty lacking in the extra features department as I remember.
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Postby MadCapsule on Wed May 17, 2006 3:11 pm

Aw, man! 2 disc Criterion sets really make the wallet ache, but it would totally be worth it for Seven Samurai!
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Postby Brocktune on Wed May 17, 2006 3:16 pm

yeah i kind of agree. worth it for the transfers, but light on extras. if im not mistaken, they have cleaned seven samurai up even more, and it will have new subtitles, and is supposed to be a 2 disc set. that will be nice.
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Postby Logan5 on Wed May 17, 2006 3:26 pm

I hope they're going to release old Sci-Fi Horror movies.

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I think a lot of the MGM Midnite Movies deserve the Criterion treatment.
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Postby Theta on Thu May 18, 2006 6:56 pm

MadCapsule wrote:
If Criterion does another release of Seven Samurai, they had better include the film restoration featurette that they had on early editions of the current release but mysteriously decided to remove on later editions (i.e. the copy I fucking own!).


Yanked for copyright reasons, and it ain't coming back.

Personally, I suspect this "new line" is one of three things:

1) an extraless "budget" line, which I wouldn't complain about.

2) an overhaul of the HVE label to bring it some Criterion class...which is kind of overdue, because HVE is probably the best label for art, cult, and foreign film short of Criterion out there. It's the closest thing you'll get to a guarantee that what you're buying blind doesn't suck.

3) Just a revamping of their logo/general look (which is too bad because I kind of like the current one)


I think Criterion is taking a "wait and see" attitude towards the new formats. They've been in home video forever and remember laserdisc all too well. Also, they haven't been courted by either camp, to my knowledge, which is utterly insane. If HD-DVD wanted a leg up, and frankly to cater to the kind of people who consider dropping $1000 on pricey experimental consumer electronics...a disc of "The Seventh Seal" would be a doozy of a way to do it.
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Postby bastard_robo on Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:10 am

The Criterion Collection launched a new label over the weekend which it baptised Eclipse.
The skinny:
• Each month they will release 3 to 5 films focusing on particular director or theme
• While not pristine like that of Criterion, Eclipse will release the best print available
• There will be no supplement material
• They plan to keep the price of each disc under $15

Release schedules and film titles have yet to be announced but it seems like first up out of the gate will be the early films of Ingmar Bergman.
Finally, the mission statement on the back cover will tentatively read as follows:
"Eclipse presents a selection of lost, forgotten, or overshadowed films in simple, affordable editions. Each series is a brief cinematheque retrospective for the adventurous home viewer."
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Postby silentbobafett on Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:22 am

sounds good but make sure there aren't other versions with extras on! and how shit is it that they start with Ingmar Bergman! YAAAAWWWWNNNNN fest!

Jeez, way to shoot your self in the foot... how about someone fucking decent... anal retentive Struggling Background Artists :-)
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Postby magicmonkey on Mon Dec 18, 2006 4:55 am

*shakes fist angrily at Silentbobafett*

Why you cinematic heathen!

Damn you Michael Bay!
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:46 am

Oh dear SBF! Slagging off the great master and one of the best Film Directors in the world. Have you got a war coming!! Haaaave yooouuu gaaaaarrrrrt aaaaaaaaarrrrrhhh WAAAAARRRR caaaaaaaarrrrmmmmeeeeennnnngggg!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Postby silentbobafett on Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:03 am

I ain't looking for no war fool! I'm laying down the truth! I've had enough of the anal retentive ruling this fair world for too long! I'm taking it back for the people!

The revolution starts here baby! JOIN WITH ME! RISE UP! Show these fuckers that nonsense, metaphors, B&W and semiotics are not the be all and end all of film. Theat a good film they do not make.

I see very little difference between Uwe Boll and Ingmar Bergman...

This will be a slogan of the revolution!

Fuck the New Wave - come watch some cars get the BLOWN the FUCK UP! :-)
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Postby magicmonkey on Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:34 am

silentbobafett wrote:I ain't looking for no war fool! I'm laying down the truth! I've had enough of the anal retentive ruling this fair world for too long! I'm taking it back for the people!

The revolution starts here baby! JOIN WITH ME! RISE UP! Show these fuckers that nonsense, metaphors, B&W and semiotics are not the be all and end all of film. Theat a good film they do not make.

I see very little difference between Uwe Boll and Ingmar Bergman...

This will be a slogan of the revolution!

Fuck the New Wave - come watch some cars get the BLOWN the FUCK UP! :-)


*Resists urge to ban...only just*

Begun, the war betwixt dialogue and action, has.

If a car being blown the fuck up ain't a semiotic/metaphor of the lowest common denominator inherent to film, to put it in as black and white as I can, messy blow job porn then I don't know what is...

Whereas an old man journeying through the shadows of his past life brought to life with awesome script, dialogue, visuals, sexay non metaphor women is as great, if not infinitely more involving than messy blowjob porn.

Take that heathen!
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Postby silentbobafett on Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:44 am

Can I just take the Blow Job... althogunh not from you... but from metaphorical woman who isn't, but just is: sexy


I'm mean, no pun intended, but lets not beat around the bush here:

If somethings bugging a character - just let the fuck say it! Let him take a shotgun and blow some fuckers heads of Norris style

If he's got a car to blow up - lets do it and not imagine it.

I pay to see films show me something. What teh fuckyou wanna watch some bloke who can't even speak english go around talking about his fucking regrets and shit.

And there is no way you can ban someonef or having a different view on film! Surely not... I mean I know e all joke about mods being dick head cock knockers, but that would be stupid! I mean I would say it would prove it but two things would happen, 1) It would go unnoticed and 2) who would dare question it

But everyone knows anyway

The revolution is underway, you may have the power but he people won't stand for it!

We want the rights to dicuss the film we like and don't like in the way we want that is not offenseive to people in either wheelchairs or of course ladies and race people.


COme and join up and fight the power! Beat the man down! RIIIIIISE UP! And talk about the films you wanna talk about... geek out the way you want with out THe Man breathing down your neck!

2007: The Geek Shall Inherit the ZOne... :-)
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Postby Fried Gold on Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:55 am

Hardly anything to be bothered about. "Best print available" means it's probably already available elsewhere.
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Postby magicmonkey on Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:09 am

silentbobafett wrote:Can I just take the Blow Job... althogunh not from you... but from metaphorical woman who isn't, but just is: sexy


I'm mean, no pun intended, but lets not beat around the bush here:

If somethings bugging a character - just let the fuck say it! Let him take a shotgun and blow some fuckers heads of Norris style

If he's got a car to blow up - lets do it and not imagine it.

I pay to see films show me something. What teh fuckyou wanna watch some bloke who can't even speak english go around talking about his fucking regrets and shit.

And there is no way you can ban someonef or having a different view on film! Surely not... I mean I know e all joke about mods being dick head cock knockers, but that would be stupid! I mean I would say it would prove it but two things would happen, 1) It would go unnoticed and 2) who would dare question it

But everyone knows anyway

The revolution is underway, you may have the power but he people won't stand for it!

We want the rights to dicuss the film we like and don't like in the way we want that is not offenseive to people in either wheelchairs or of course ladies and race people.


COme and join up and fight the power! Beat the man down! RIIIIIISE UP! And talk about the films you wanna talk about... geek out the way you want with out THe Man breathing down your neck!

2007: The Geek Shall Inherit the ZOne... :-)


Heh. I'm just reclaiming Bergman from those you despise. Sure there may be metaphor, but when in the mood, Bergman explores angst like no other except maybe Hughes in "The Breakfast Club".

As for the banning, well, I'd never dream of it, come on, you brought the zone some inside scoop on "The Northern Lights" aka "The magical little golden compass carried by a girl with polar bears as friends"...
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Postby silentbobafett on Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:11 am

And what a scoop it was! Phew, did you see the light I shone on that badboy! :-)

And I think you might of put your finger on something there:

BERGMAN is a lesser version of JOHN HUGHES!

Now you're thinking! Bergman is the anal retentive assholes John Hughes!

Sweet!

T-Shirts coming soon people! :-) What size or should I just do them all as xxxl? :-)
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Postby magicmonkey on Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:18 am

silentbobafett wrote:And what a scoop it was! Phew, did you see the light I shone on that badboy! :-)

And I think you might of put your finger on something there:

BERGMAN is a lesser version of JOHN HUGHES!

Now you're thinking! Bergman is the anal retentive assholes John Hughes!

Sweet!

T-Shirts coming soon people! :-) What size or should I just do them all as xxxl? :-)


I see there is no reasoning with thee. You see Bergman is John Hughes' father, look into your geek heart, you know it to be true. As Rodin's "The Thinker" is the father of each and every McDonalds toy you own. Dwell on that SilentBob and write a sorry tale of angst and pain, that enlightens and creates peace for us all.
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Postby silentbobafett on Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:44 am

I wll do... and do you know why... cos I know you really want it. I know you and the rest of the clan want to hear what I have to say. And I will not take this honour lightly. I'm going to go now... into the wilderness... and right my masterpiece on how to Revolutionise this brainwashed peeps and thier stupid anal views on films with people sitting in rooms and shadows talking absolute bollocks :-)
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Postby magicmonkey on Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:46 am

silentbobafett wrote:I wll do... and do you know why... cos I know you really want it. I know you and the rest of the clan want to hear what I have to say. And I will not take this honour lightly. I'm going to go now... into the wilderness... and right my masterpiece on how to Revolutionise this brainwashed peeps and thier stupid anal views on films with people sitting in rooms and shadows talking absolute bollocks :-)


The irony... :P
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Postby Retardo_Montalban on Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:49 am

silentbobafett wrote:I ain't looking for no war fool! I'm laying down the truth! I've had enough of the anal retentive ruling this fair world for too long! I'm taking it back for the people!

The revolution starts here baby! JOIN WITH ME! RISE UP! Show these fuckers that nonsense, metaphors, B&W and semiotics are not the be all and end all of film. Theat a good film they do not make.

I see very little difference between Uwe Boll and Ingmar Bergman...

This will be a slogan of the revolution!

Fuck the New Wave - come watch some cars get the BLOWN the FUCK UP! :-)



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Postby Peven on Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:04 am

silentbobafett wrote:And what a scoop it was! Phew, did you see the light I shone on that badboy! :-)

And I think you might of put your finger on something there:

BERGMAN is a lesser version of JOHN HUGHES!

Now you're thinking! Bergman is the anal retentive assholes John Hughes!

Sweet!

T-Shirts coming soon people! :-) What size or should I just do them all as xxxl? :-)


Hughes is so over-rated, to compare him to Bergman is glib to be sure, imo. where is he now? when is the last time he made anything that showed up in anyone's radar? and "Breakfast Club" was pretentious, bloated, and only fed into stereotypes instead of trying to break them. but then, feeding into stereotypes was all Hughes did anyway. sure, "Sixteen Candles" had a few good laughs, but he made teenage fairy-tales based on the shallow, social belief system of highschool life. his movies were not only about 16 yr olds, they were as shallow as most 16 yr olds.

anyway, to keep this post on topic, i think this is a great idea for Criterion, at least from a fan's pov. i trust they will serve up a worthy sampling of work from whatever director the choose for each month, and i think Bergman is a superbly fitting place to start.
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Postby havocSchultz on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:00 am

I can't wait for their Russ Meyer retrospective...
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Postby Cpt Kirks 2pay on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:11 am

I'm gonna see all of Bergman's movies on this Criterion List - and then seeing as I ain't a Mod and can't get done by the Admins by it, I'LL BAN SBF! Then I'll get banned myself. I think it's worth it. If you wanna rag on I am your father bollox like in ESB, fine, I like that you have seen deep into that to appreciate it for being garbage in your well explained opinion.

I for one think The Seventh Seal is overrated, but I also know that I have to see it more than once and haven't seen deep enough into it. I think that your dismissal of Bergman seems to be a bit quick and shallow from the explanation given to me. I suggest you sit down and watch those black and white films featuring a man who can't speak English, over a thousand times - just like all us wankers did SW.
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Postby havocSchultz on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:15 am

Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote: I suggest you sit down and watch those black and white films featuring a man who can't speak English,


Just like Kirk's posts...
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Postby WinslowLeach on Mon Dec 18, 2006 11:46 am

First title being released: XANADU!
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Postby silentbobafett on Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:04 am

Hughes is so over-rated, to compare him to Bergman is glib to be sure, imo. where is he now? when is the last time he made anything that showed up in anyone's radar?


I'll cleverly ask this in return: when was the last time Bergman did anything that showed up on anyones radar? Where is Bergman now?

I don't see the mu thafucker at my local multiplex. Idon't see Hughes either, but he's unrivaled influence in cinema trundles on, see Unaccompanied Minors for this years Hughes rip...looks like fun though.

And what makes me laugh is, I bet U M has more subtext and character depth and fart jokes than a bunch of Bergman movies put together...

But enough now, this si probabnly for another topic but lets just say I'e won and how good is this new DVD label? :-)
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Postby silentbobafett on Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:06 am

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 1170 posts and I've finally worked out how to qoute!!!! and you guys say I'm slow.... damn you all to hell!!!! I'm BACK BABY!



I'M BACK!!!! :-)
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Postby magicmonkey on Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:25 am

silentbobafett wrote:
And what makes me laugh is, I bet U M has more subtext and character depth and fart jokes than a bunch of Bergman movies put together...

But enough now, this si probabnly for another topic but lets just say I'e won and how good is this new DVD label? :-)


Bergman actually has a fart gag in "Fanny and Alexander", plus its a fart gag with subtext! ;)

As for him not being on the radar... well, that is untrue too, he released a picture just two years ago.

Budget priced Criterion makes me drool. Now it can't be argued that quality cinema comes at an unaffordable price.
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Postby silentbobafett on Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:28 am

He may have done... but was it on the Radar? I'm sure John Hughes released Home Alone 27 two years ago.... don't put the fucker on my radar though :-)
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Postby Theta on Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:49 pm

silentbobafett wrote:
Hughes is so over-rated, to compare him to Bergman is glib to be sure, imo. where is he now? when is the last time he made anything that showed up in anyone's radar?


I'll cleverly ask this in return: when was the last time Bergman did anything that showed up on anyones radar? Where is Bergman now?


He's coming to fuck you up.

No, I'm serious. Why do you think a guy who made such boring movies got such great reviews? Everyone was too afraid of him!
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Postby Alex DeLarge on Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:25 pm

Im pretty sure he retired from movies back in the eighties... you know after directing over 60 movies and numerous plays... and he's almost 90 now, so give him a break for still not pumping em out the way he used to do.

And I like the idea of afforcable criterion releases, ill definately be getting the Bergman ones.
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Postby Seppuku on Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:42 pm

This Eclipse thing sounds good, but what Criterion should REALLY do if they want to rake in the moolah is make a sister label that buys up all the biggest cinematic turds ever released.

I'd buy a Shiterion Edition of Caddyshack II, Glitter and Stop! or my Mom Will Shoot.
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Postby Theta on Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:23 pm

seppukudkurosawa wrote:This Eclipse thing sounds good, but what Criterion should REALLY do if they want to rake in the moolah is make a sister label that buys up all the biggest cinematic turds ever released.

I'd buy a Shiterion Edition of Caddyshack II, Glitter and Stop! or my Mom Will Shoot.


Man...if Criterion ever bought Blue Underground...I'd be homeless in a fucking week.
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Postby georges garvarentz on Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:52 pm

It would be nice if they took a broader approach with the film choices and venture back to their initial days. I could really go for some John Woo; maybe even some real low class smut like Silence of the Lambs and Robo Cop. Either way, this group brining out more great films is all thats of importance.
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Postby Theta on Mon Feb 05, 2007 11:31 pm

georges garvarentz wrote:It would be nice if they took a broader approach with the film choices and venture back to their initial days. I could really go for some John Woo; maybe even some real low class smut like Silence of the Lambs and Robo Cop. Either way, this group brining out more great films is all thats of importance.


Well, actually, they seem to have loosened up quite a bit. "Monsters and Madmen" just came out (with some beautiful art by Darwyn Cooke on the box), and they recently did "The Honeymoon Killers" and "Equinox." I'm still depressed Toho didn't sprout some balls and let them finally do "Gojira", though.
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Postby Ribbons on Wed Jan 09, 2008 7:41 pm

LeFlambeur wrote:I really think that the best thing to happen in DVD all year was the creation of Criterion's Eclipse Series. In terms of features and video quality it doesn't quite live up to Criterion's usual standards but it does greatly increase the volume of various directors works that they can bring into the US. The Late Ozu boxset is bliss.


It does sound as if they're doing some great things with the Eclipse line, but I'm sort of curious about why they couldn't do, say, a Criterion Ozu boxset. Is it because they want to minimize expenses?
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Postby Theta on Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:21 am

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LeFlambeur wrote:I really think that the best thing to happen in DVD all year was the creation of Criterion's Eclipse Series. In terms of features and video quality it doesn't quite live up to Criterion's usual standards but it does greatly increase the volume of various directors works that they can bring into the US. The Late Ozu boxset is bliss.


It does sound as if they're doing some great things with the Eclipse line, but I'm sort of curious about why they couldn't do, say, a Criterion Ozu boxset. Is it because they want to minimize expenses?


That's pretty much what they say on their site. They've got a list of about a thousand movies they want to release, and not all of them can be Criterion editions, either because the demand for the film isn't there, the cost of restoring and adding extras would be prohibitive, etc.

But at the same time, they're also generally the only label willing or even sometimes able to put these movies out, and they don't want them to languish. So they came up with Eclipse as a compromise.

EDIT: And as far as video quality goes, honestly, I've seen a few and have yet to see a genuinely lousy print.
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Postby RogueScribner on Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:33 am

So the point of the Eclipse line is to showcase films that otherwise wouldn't have one on DVD?
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Postby Theta on Thu Jan 10, 2008 1:11 pm

RogueScribner wrote:So the point of the Eclipse line is to showcase films that otherwise wouldn't have one on DVD?


Pretty much. If you think about it, there's a lot more foreign/art film than there are labels in America willing to put it out. I can think of maybe five labels, and most of those are either shoestring operations, run by accountants, or run by people behind the times. Occasionally one of the mondo or cult labels like Blue Underground or Synapse will step in and put something out, but those discs are labors of love, not bread and butter. Only Criterion's got the contacts, the money, and the promotional muscle.
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Re: CRITERION to Open new label!

Postby Brendan M. on Thu May 29, 2008 11:06 pm

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• They plan to keep the price of each disc under $15


Praise fucking god! I love Criterion collection but sometimes their movies can be so fucking pricey.
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Postby hackett on Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:39 pm

Even used Third Man dvds are like 40 bucks on craigslist / ebay
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Postby Spandau Belly on Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:46 pm

Seppuku wrote:This Eclipse thing sounds good, but what Criterion should REALLY do if they want to rake in the moolah is make a sister label that buys up all the biggest cinematic turds ever released.

I'd buy a Shiterion Edition of Caddyshack II, Glitter and Stop! or my Mom Will Shoot.


Honestly, if they did three disc editions with exhaustive commentaries for totally shitty movies I'd probably buy every single one.

Even better if they just did movies that typically get no respect but that I still love. I'd like a Shiterion Collection 4 DVD Action Jackson edition featuring commentaries by Spike Lee and Steven Seagal and anybody who's last name happened to be Jackson and was willing to record a commentary track.
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Postby hackett on Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:58 pm

hahahaha...

Blue Thunder Criterion anyone?
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