Mark Steven Johnson (upcoming Ghost Rider, Daredevil) is writing the pilot, while Howard Deutch is attached to direct.
MasterWhedon wrote:Mark Steven Johnson = "Heroes'" Tim Kring
Both have great ideas but incredibly sloppy execution. Both are seen as successes because their products are financially viable/reach a large audience. Both are examples of how audiences will embrace and champion mediocrity. Both should be replaced by someone better.
MasterWhedon wrote:I've never read Preacher, but I've heard the praise.
Both are seen as successes because their products are financially viable/reach a large audience.
Both are examples of how audiences will embrace and champion mediocrity.
Both should be replaced by someone better.
Ribbons wrote:MasterWhedon wrote:Mark Steven Johnson = "Heroes'" Tim Kring
Both have great ideas but incredibly sloppy execution. Both are seen as successes because their products are financially viable/reach a large audience. Both are examples of how audiences will embrace and champion mediocrity. Both should be replaced by someone better.
This is true, although I've held that with a better director, Daredevil could have been vastly improved; a couple of better-staged scenes here, a little judicious pruning there. I'm not sure whether the director has as many freedoms on a television show as he or she generally does on film sets, but if MSJ gets close enough to the mark with his teleplays then perhaps the director will be able to polish the material.
It's funny you see Tim Kring that way, because I was thinking the exact same thing not two days ago.
Chilli wrote:Both are seen as successes because their products are financially viable/reach a large audience.
I don't think DD did particularly well dude. Hence no sequel in an age where any Marvel film that makes a profit gets a sequel.
Chilli wrote:MSJ wise... I thought Daredevil rocked. Obviously folk can disagree, but it got to the heart of the character better than some of the other comic-book films.
So:Both are seen as successes because their products are financially viable/reach a large audience.
I don't think DD did particularly well dude. Hence no sequel in an age where any Marvel film that makes a profit gets a sequel.
Chilli wrote:Both are examples of how audiences will embrace and champion mediocrity.
Yay. I like mediocrity, and not faithful comic-book adaptations. Dude, if you want to slam the guy that's fine... don't have a pop at me and others who enjoyed the film, assuming we're borne of idiocy idiot becausewe enjoyed the damn film. I happen to have an insane amount of understanding when it comes to narrative structure, how to frame a story, and how to analyse a story, and yet I enjoy Daredevil BECAUSE it's faithful to the comic-book, of which I am a fan. Many of us spend days, weeks, heck years bitching about comic-books being unfaithful to the source, yet when we get one like Daredevil that is, people go off and pick other faults in it.
I'm with people on the X-Men III hate. Same way I'm with that Batman & Robin was useless... but on DD, I'm taking a fricking stand.
Chilli wrote:Both should be replaced by someone better.
If the list includes Spielberg or Cameron, I'm pretty much going to go bang my head against a wall.
MasterWhedon wrote:Heroes has all the elements to be my favorite show of all time, but instead it's just one of my top ten this year.
Chairman Kaga wrote:As for this argument. MW don't you think HBO will give a lot more room to work in when adapting a violent comic than a PG 13 film or a network show? They seem to go after edgy concepts so I assume they will be pressing for it to push the comic genre into a different more "adult" direction.
Ribbons wrote:MasterWhedon wrote:Heroes has all the elements to be my favorite show of all time, but instead it's just one of my top ten this year.
Maybe it's just not your destiny to like it, because when we are on quests that are against our nature, maybe the human heart will set us back on the right path, because we yearn for the stars even though we don't know it, because that is the destiny of our evolution, because even though we are all connected we are different at the same time, and our destiny will reveal our special abilities to us, etc...
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DennisMM wrote:Wish I were that funny. Ribbons, you're a bastard. Everyone better than me is a bastard except the women. I haven't found a proper insult for them.
Look, I didn't mean to take a direct swipe at you, but if you feel that I did, I apologize. That said, can you honestly tell me you think Heroes is one of the best directed or best written shows on television right now? Can you tell me MSJ is an exceptional writer/director? Personally, I think both do/are doing servicable jobs, putting out mediocre products where something truly GREAT could've been. But then, I'd argue that 24 is an example of mediocrity, and it just won the Emmy--but that's another debate for another time.
Also, Avi Arad has been quoted in the past as saying MSJ can adapt any Marvel property he'd like. This point above all others angers me.
Better Spielberg or Cameron than Tim Story.
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