Brocktune wrote:oh yeah, and im pretty sure the way you felt about the peasants was exactly the way you were supposed to feel about them.
Brocktune wrote:i instantly nutted once for each disk, upon discovering this precious gift 'neath my tree this christmas.
Nordling wrote:He's a teenager and doesn't understand what's happening.
Nordling wrote:SEVEN SAMURAI has a huge amount of subtext - subtext about class, subtext about Japan at the time.
Nordling wrote:Admiration does not = g.a.y.
You're bringing modern sensibilities into these character's motivations. In this film and in a lot of films of this period, people wore their emotions on their sleeves.
Nordling wrote:And Kikuchiyo is the same in a lot of respects. He wears his emotions openly, much like the villagers. He is a farmer's son. He knows something the samurai do not - that the farmer is the lowest of the low, barely making an existence while the samurai think of nobly dying in combat.
Nordling wrote:The samurai are arrogant, and they cannot relate or even see people beneath their station. They are of two entirely different worlds, and Kikuchiyo is the buffer between the two. When it's over, we assume that both the samurai and the villagers have taken something from the other.
Nordling wrote:Not to be insulting, but you aren't understanding the context of what you are seeing. This film isn't in a vacuum. There's a lot going on than what is visibly apparent. SEVEN SAMURAI has a huge amount of subtext - subtext about class, subtext about Japan at the time.
Brocktune wrote:and while the possibility exists that your interpretation is accurate, i think it would be presumptuous, to simply cast aside the possibility that the percieved homoerotic subtext does in fact exist as such.
i might not believe this as strongly as i do, if i didnt feel like it was slapping me in the face everytime i watch it. i see a hotter fire burning behind katsushiro's eyes, than that of mere admiration.
WinslowLeach wrote:This conversation has made me realize again that over analyzing films can ruin the actual enjoyment you get from just having a real experience watching them and taking them for what they are, not what you think they might be or should be.
WinslowLeach wrote:Its all good. Everyone sees things the way they see them. Noone can force someone to love a film, you either do or dont. Theres nothing else to say really.
seppukudkurosawa wrote:Anyway, I would recommend other Kurosawa movies for Ginger Man, but it would sound a bit rich really. Scandal, Red Beard, The Quiet Duel are all earthy, underrated movies from the master, but props to you for trying anyway, it's more than most people can say.
But you do realise this means you have to crop Toshi out of your AV now though, right?
The Ginger Man wrote:And that's actually not Toshi in my AV. It was an airbrushed painting of an Urban Samurai that I photoshopped to be all Ginger-like. So...uh....nya!
seppukudkurosawa wrote:The Ginger Man wrote:And that's actually not Toshi in my AV. It was an airbrushed painting of an Urban Samurai that I photoshopped to be all Ginger-like. So...uh....nya!
What, you didn't even use a real Toshiro? I'm telling Moriarty. You are SO b4nn3d!
seppukudkurosawa wrote:EDIT: Hmm, that's a thought, what if Toshiro Lucas McWeeny has the same opinion of Seven Samurai as you and Brock, he'll forever associate his name with mylover Japanese samurai!
The Ginger Man wrote:WinslowLeach wrote:Its all good. Everyone sees things the way they see them. Noone can force someone to love a film, you either do or dont. Theres nothing else to say really.
I like you, WL. You're a man of reason and sense. And I'll tell you...I bought Phantom of the Paradise off Ebay based entirely on your Zoner name...and you know what? I loved it.
So we ain't all that different, yooz and I.
Nordling wrote:There's overanalyzing a film, and then there's dipping into something so deep that it requires us to take a longer look at what's going on. SEVEN SAMURAI changed everything, even if it wasn't apparent at the time. So many things in films we take for granted now can be laid directly at SEVEN SAMURAI's feet. It's like saying CITIZEN KANE is overrated without fully understanding that before KANE there was literally nothing like it before. Camera shots (Gregg Toland was the Emmanuel Lubezki of his day), plot points, even special effects that had never been done previously that now we take for granted. So there's nothing wrong in taking a long hard look at these great films, as long as you understand the background they were made in.
seppukudkurosawa wrote: That's why I think I'm gonna delete my part in that 2007 Journal thread. It's just no fun watching a film and trying to squash it down into a rating, all the while coming up with little The Player like soundbites in your head like, "It's kind of like Pee Wee's Playhouse crossed with Blow Out with a few sprinklings of Piglet's Big Adventure thrown in".
Nachokoolaid wrote:seppukudkurosawa wrote: That's why I think I'm gonna delete my part in that 2007 Journal thread. It's just no fun watching a film and trying to squash it down into a rating, all the while coming up with little The Player like soundbites in your head like, "It's kind of like Pee Wee's Playhouse crossed with Blow Out with a few sprinklings of Piglet's Big Adventure thrown in".
NO!
It seems like every time I try and start a cool thread in the Zone, it's dashed by damned logic.
*crosses fingers*
Please don't let this start a trend. Please don't let this start a trend. Please don't let this start a trend. Please don't let this start a trend.
Perhaps you could just wait and think about the films you watch and post them in the thread without the "witty banter." That's what I do.
Sepp, don't kill the Journal thread, dammit!!!
(cue Vader "NOOOOO!")
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