tapehead wrote:For four years in the eighties, after Ghostbuster was a big hit, and 'The Razor's Edge' was a big flop, Bill Murray stopped making movies. The one film he did appear in was just a few days work for a cameo. This was the musical 'Little Shop of Horrors'. Obviously it's not really up for consideration here, but those few short scenes he has as a masochist patient with Steve Martin's sadistic dentist are so funny, I can't even tell you, you have to go watch it. It's one of the few musicals that I really, really love as well (Martin is killer in it, too).
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Now this is more like it. At last.... Bill Murray. I was and still am such a big fan of the big guy, that I actually channelled Bill Murray as part of my personality when I was younger and did try to be like him and develop his snese of humour into myself. I used it for a while, all the time when I was chatting up girls, and you know what? It worked a lot. OK, it worked a lot in that it actually did make me become funnier.
Anyway, enough about that. Bill Murray for me, is pretty much duking it out with Steve Martin as who is the funniest comedy actor of the 80sish period. I dunno how Murray does it, sometimes just by looking at his face I end up pissing myself. It's like he's not even trying a lot of the time either.
I'm gonna go and say that Scrooged is pretty much my favourite comedy performance that he did. It was probably the funniest piece of 80s acting that he did, but it also is his greatest stretch in that he had to carry the film, but even moreso, be loud and explosive, the most extrovertive and insace, the Wild and Crazy Guy more than ever before. Plus he had to do this, balancing a characterisation that went from dark, unnlikeable and nasty, to sentimental and sensitive.
An underrated role and movie, this was criticised for it's unevenness and switch between the softer moments of the film to the louder and darker moods that it had, but that is what I think makes it work so well. Again, that is life and that is what people are like. Plus Murray's schizophrenia is what makes his madness and makes him such a riot.
The best moment in this film? The bit that really proved that this guy was a real damn fine comedy actor is the bit at the dinner table where he is expecting the first ghost and he sees that eye in the cup. In this whole scene he keeps on going from loud to subtle and articulate, sreaming mad terror to complete quiet confusion, and what I love the most is that when he is in his quiet moments and not saying anything, he is doing the most intricate and detailed acting wiht his face, all his little mannerisms and ticks creating such a large and loud effect on me, that had me roaring with laughter. It's all those facial and eye movements (check out the bit where he tries to get Robert Mitchum and the waiter to look at the eye in the glass, just by using his own eyes!) that made me realise that this guy weren't just some madman who had great lines to say, wether his or not, but that he really was using himself to really channel a real comedy performance in the most exact and spot on target ways.
I know it's just one role and film taht I'm talking about here, but I got so much to say on this guy, I'll leave all hsi other stuff to later.
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Now this is more like it.
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:At last.... Bill Murray. I was and still am such a big fan of the big guy, that I actually channelled Bill Murray as part of my personality when I was younger and did try to be like him and develop his snese of humour into myself. I used it for a while, all the time when I was chatting up girls, and you know what? It worked a lot. OK, it worked a lot in that it actually did make me become funnier.
Anyway, enough about that. Bill Murray for me, is pretty much duking it out with Steve Martin as who is the funniest comedy actor of the 80sish period. I dunno how Murray does it, sometimes just by looking at his face I end up pissing myself. It's like he's not even trying a lot of the time either.
I'm gonna go and say that Scrooged is pretty much my favourite comedy performance that he did. It was probably the funniest piece of 80s acting that he did, but it also is his greatest stretch in that he had to carry the film, but even moreso, be loud and explosive, the most extrovertive and insace, the Wild and Crazy Guy more than ever before. Plus he had to do this, balancing a characterisation that went from dark, unnlikeable and nasty, to sentimental and sensitive.
An underrated role and movie, this was criticised for it's unevenness and switch between the softer moments of the film to the louder and darker moods that it had, but that is what I think makes it work so well. Again, that is life and that is what people are like. Plus Murray's schizophrenia is what makes his madness and makes him such a riot.
The best moment in this film? The bit that really proved that this guy was a real damn fine comedy actor is the bit at the dinner table where he is expecting the first ghost and he sees that eye in the cup. In this whole scene he keeps on going from loud to subtle and articulate, sreaming mad terror to complete quiet confusion, and what I love the most is that when he is in his quiet moments and not saying anything, he is doing the most intricate and detailed acting wiht his face, all his little mannerisms and ticks creating such a large and loud effect on me, that had me roaring with laughter. It's all those facial and eye movements (check out the bit where he tries to get Robert Mitchum and the waiter to look at the eye in the glass, just by using his own eyes!) that made me realise that this guy weren't just some madman who had great lines to say, wether his or not, but that he really was using himself to really channel a real comedy performance in the most exact and spot on target ways.
I know it's just one role and film taht I'm talking about here, but I got so much to say on this guy, I'll leave all hsi other stuff to later.
The Thin Man wrote:I'll grant you that scrooged had it's moments but how can you not vote for Ghostbusters? It is possibly one of the greatest comedy films ever made. If anyone votes for any of the other films I will personally go round to their house and give them a lecture on why this is such a great film. With a baseball bat.
John-Locke wrote:"And the flowers are still standing"
"Yes it's true, this man has no dick"
"This Mr. Stay Puft's okay, he's a sailor, he's in New York, we get this guy laid we won't have any trouble"
Nuff said.
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:John-Locke wrote:"And the flowers are still standing"
"Yes it's true, this man has no dick"
"This Mr. Stay Puft's okay, he's a sailor, he's in New York, we get this guy laid we won't have any trouble"
Nuff said.
HAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
The beauty of this film and especially Bill Murray is that some of his lines like these are so underplayed and delivered that you miss them not just straight away, but even after a few viewings. I find that even now when I watch it, over 20 years on, I'm finding new stuff to laugh at with him. That is so unique to have a role and movie that you're always finding new stuff with, and that it just keeps on growing on you.
I mentioned this before, but that bit at the end where they're about to go up the last flight of stairs and Murray's trying to be all hard and the mighty leader, with the guys following him from behind, but as soon as he hears those Dogs roaring from the rooftop and he sees the lightning, he so casually and almost unnoticeable stops and goes to the others 'Come on! Go on, Go on!' waving them to go up. If you don't pay attention properly (all of them are in a sublte long shot too) you'd think nothing of it, and think that he still is being the leader, when in fact he's really saying "I'm a fucking coward and am shitting it, can you guys go first and I'll hide behind ya".
Also another thing about Bill Murray as Peter Venkman, is that he is pretty much the ultimate role model for me. Someone who is a complete dick and a right berk, comes across as having no moral virtues, he seems so lazy and knows nothing of what he's talking about or doing, isn't a tough guy, takes nothing seriously, but STILL not only manages to kick ass and win the day - mostly not because of the others, but because of his own plans and actions that kick in at the last minute and when it's most important - but that he still gets all the chicks! Not just Sigourney Weaver, but throughout the film you can easily tell he can pick up all those chicks that he gives the eye, says crappy lines to, or lies to about their panaroam... pananorma, paranar... panoramic.... telekent... teleken....teliken.......................... mind powers, and that the ladies love him and he is a hit with them. So this guy, who just coasts through life and doesn't even try to do anything hard, still is a winner - even though he seems like he's a bit of a prat.
So, that's why he works for me. Wins without effort. He's a bit like that blonde prat, Flash Gordon, who himself, doesn't seem to be able to do anything right, and comes across like a weak plank - but still wins the day and all the fucking girls, gentleman!
Only Bill Murray does it by doing stupid dances in the middle of a Water Fountain square in front of the public, whereas Flash Gordon wears stupid women's leotards in front of the Mongo public.
tapehead wrote:Hey Doc, why isn't Tootsie on this list? I suppose it is a supporting role, but he's the best thing in it by miles - dude could take a supporting role and go all subtle and just get everything out of it.
Doc Holliday wrote:Sensing Kirk is about to post, he braces himself for bouts of abuse and ridicule before his peers.......Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Now this is more like it.
*speechless*Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:At last.... Bill Murray. I was and still am such a big fan of the big guy, that I actually channelled Bill Murray as part of my personality when I was younger and did try to be like him and develop his snese of humour into myself. I used it for a while, all the time when I was chatting up girls, and you know what? It worked a lot. OK, it worked a lot in that it actually did make me become funnier.
Anyway, enough about that. Bill Murray for me, is pretty much duking it out with Steve Martin as who is the funniest comedy actor of the 80sish period. I dunno how Murray does it, sometimes just by looking at his face I end up pissing myself. It's like he's not even trying a lot of the time either.
I'm gonna go and say that Scrooged is pretty much my favourite comedy performance that he did. It was probably the funniest piece of 80s acting that he did, but it also is his greatest stretch in that he had to carry the film, but even moreso, be loud and explosive, the most extrovertive and insace, the Wild and Crazy Guy more than ever before. Plus he had to do this, balancing a characterisation that went from dark, unnlikeable and nasty, to sentimental and sensitive.
An underrated role and movie, this was criticised for it's unevenness and switch between the softer moments of the film to the louder and darker moods that it had, but that is what I think makes it work so well. Again, that is life and that is what people are like. Plus Murray's schizophrenia is what makes his madness and makes him such a riot.
The best moment in this film? The bit that really proved that this guy was a real damn fine comedy actor is the bit at the dinner table where he is expecting the first ghost and he sees that eye in the cup. In this whole scene he keeps on going from loud to subtle and articulate, sreaming mad terror to complete quiet confusion, and what I love the most is that when he is in his quiet moments and not saying anything, he is doing the most intricate and detailed acting wiht his face, all his little mannerisms and ticks creating such a large and loud effect on me, that had me roaring with laughter. It's all those facial and eye movements (check out the bit where he tries to get Robert Mitchum and the waiter to look at the eye in the glass, just by using his own eyes!) that made me realise that this guy weren't just some madman who had great lines to say, wether his or not, but that he really was using himself to really channel a real comedy performance in the most exact and spot on target ways.
I know it's just one role and film taht I'm talking about here, but I got so much to say on this guy, I'll leave all hsi other stuff to later.
I just want to say - that's one of the best posts I've read, from you or anyone, in months.
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Doc Holliday wrote:Sensing Kirk is about to post, he braces himself for bouts of abuse and ridicule before his peers.......Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Now this is more like it.
*speechless*Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:At last.... Bill Murray. I was and still am such a big fan of the big guy, that I actually channelled Bill Murray as part of my personality when I was younger and did try to be like him and develop his snese of humour into myself. I used it for a while, all the time when I was chatting up girls, and you know what? It worked a lot. OK, it worked a lot in that it actually did make me become funnier.
Anyway, enough about that. Bill Murray for me, is pretty much duking it out with Steve Martin as who is the funniest comedy actor of the 80sish period. I dunno how Murray does it, sometimes just by looking at his face I end up pissing myself. It's like he's not even trying a lot of the time either.
I'm gonna go and say that Scrooged is pretty much my favourite comedy performance that he did. It was probably the funniest piece of 80s acting that he did, but it also is his greatest stretch in that he had to carry the film, but even moreso, be loud and explosive, the most extrovertive and insace, the Wild and Crazy Guy more than ever before. Plus he had to do this, balancing a characterisation that went from dark, unnlikeable and nasty, to sentimental and sensitive.
An underrated role and movie, this was criticised for it's unevenness and switch between the softer moments of the film to the louder and darker moods that it had, but that is what I think makes it work so well. Again, that is life and that is what people are like. Plus Murray's schizophrenia is what makes his madness and makes him such a riot.
The best moment in this film? The bit that really proved that this guy was a real damn fine comedy actor is the bit at the dinner table where he is expecting the first ghost and he sees that eye in the cup. In this whole scene he keeps on going from loud to subtle and articulate, sreaming mad terror to complete quiet confusion, and what I love the most is that when he is in his quiet moments and not saying anything, he is doing the most intricate and detailed acting wiht his face, all his little mannerisms and ticks creating such a large and loud effect on me, that had me roaring with laughter. It's all those facial and eye movements (check out the bit where he tries to get Robert Mitchum and the waiter to look at the eye in the glass, just by using his own eyes!) that made me realise that this guy weren't just some madman who had great lines to say, wether his or not, but that he really was using himself to really channel a real comedy performance in the most exact and spot on target ways.
I know it's just one role and film taht I'm talking about here, but I got so much to say on this guy, I'll leave all hsi other stuff to later.
I just want to say - that's one of the best posts I've read, from you or anyone, in months.
Well that's why I'm Peter Venkman. Prats about like a right moron, but always wins out when it really counts.
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Now this is more like it. At last.... Bill Murray. I was and still am such a big fan of the big guy, that I actually channelled Bill Murray as part of my personality when I was younger and did try to be like him and develop his snese of humour into myself. I used it for a while, all the time when I was chatting up girls, and you know what? It worked a lot. OK, it worked a lot in that it actually did make me become funnier.
Anyway, enough about that. Bill Murray for me, is pretty much duking it out with Steve Martin as who is the funniest comedy actor of the 80sish period. I dunno how Murray does it, sometimes just by looking at his face I end up pissing myself. It's like he's not even trying a lot of the time either.
I'm gonna go and say that Scrooged is pretty much my favourite comedy performance that he did. It was probably the funniest piece of 80s acting that he did, but it also is his greatest stretch in that he had to carry the film, but even moreso, be loud and explosive, the most extrovertive and insace, the Wild and Crazy Guy more than ever before. Plus he had to do this, balancing a characterisation that went from dark, unnlikeable and nasty, to sentimental and sensitive.
An underrated role and movie, this was criticised for it's unevenness and switch between the softer moments of the film to the louder and darker moods that it had, but that is what I think makes it work so well. Again, that is life and that is what people are like. Plus Murray's schizophrenia is what makes his madness and makes him such a riot.
The best moment in this film? The bit that really proved that this guy was a real damn fine comedy actor is the bit at the dinner table where he is expecting the first ghost and he sees that eye in the cup. In this whole scene he keeps on going from loud to subtle and articulate, sreaming mad terror to complete quiet confusion, and what I love the most is that when he is in his quiet moments and not saying anything, he is doing the most intricate and detailed acting wiht his face, all his little mannerisms and ticks creating such a large and loud effect on me, that had me roaring with laughter. It's all those facial and eye movements (check out the bit where he tries to get Robert Mitchum and the waiter to look at the eye in the glass, just by using his own eyes!) that made me realise that this guy weren't just some madman who had great lines to say, wether his or not, but that he really was using himself to really channel a real comedy performance in the most exact and spot on target ways.
I know it's just one role and film taht I'm talking about here, but I got so much to say on this guy, I'll leave all hsi other stuff to later.
tapehead wrote:
CADDYSHACK!
so sorry wrote:
Bill Murray (back then) was the quintesential(sp?) smart-ass straight faced dick, and no movie showcased this talent better than Stripes.
Cpt Kirks 2pay wrote:Only Bill Murray does it by doing stupid dances in the middle of a Water Fountain square in front of the public
TheBaxter wrote:what about "what about bob?"?
John-Locke wrote:I also ran up to and banged on the window of the restaurant in Central Park Rick Moranis Style but there was a wake going on inside so I felt pretty bad.
John-Locke wrote:It's like a reception you have after a funeral.
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