burlivesleftnut wrote:The tie-ins are all getting tremendous bumps even WITH the delays. One of the columnists on CBR wrote about it yesterday.
MasterWhedon wrote:SPOILERS FOR CIVIL WAR #6
WHEN THE FUCK IS THIS FIGHT GONNA HAPPEN?!!
END SPOILERS
MasterWhedon wrote:BTW, Pro-Reg wins. 8)
The Ginger Man wrote:
Insignificant Supporting Character: Hey, Cap. Daredevil has a bunch of lawyer friends. We could hire some lobbyists, put together an ad campaign, start a grassroots following. We might even be able to appeal to the Supreme Court!
Captain America: No...no. I think the Punisher would be more effective.
buster00 wrote:The Ginger Man wrote:
Insignificant Supporting Character: Hey, Cap. Daredevil has a bunch of lawyer friends. We could hire some lobbyists, put together an ad campaign, start a grassroots following. We might even be able to appeal to the Supreme Court!
Captain America: No...no. I think the Punisher would be more effective.
LOLOLOLOL!!
That is hilarious, but the problem with litigation is: The rebels would have to reveal their secret ID's in court. Kinda defeats the purpose.
burlivesleftnut wrote:In Cap's defense, his focus switched from sulking about the law to trying to free heroes who were held prisoner in the negative zone. So give me a break. I don't think they care about changing the law. I think they just don't want to obey it, and they want to protect their mates who don't want to obey it.
Bluebottle wrote:and we still don't know why spiderman is wearing his black suit again...
(I'm guessing it's because he's sad)
The Ginger Man wrote:
Personally, I can't wait for next year's Civil War Reunion special.
Adam Balm wrote:I like the black costume, I just wish that the white spider logo was replaced with a frowny face, and then maybe spider-man could wear torn jeans and carry around House of Leaves with him wherever he goes.
Adam Balm wrote:I like the black costume, I just wish that the white spider logo was replaced with a frowny face, and then maybe spider-man could wear torn jeans and carry around House of Leaves with him wherever he goes.
The Ginger Man wrote:EDIT: I found what happened. Here it is in tiny text for anyone interested.
- Cloak teleports everyone outside of Baxter Building.
- Clor shows up to help, and Namor shows up to help Cap.
- Hercules takes out Clor, and Reed is hurt taking a shot from Tasky meant for Sue.
- Cap is about to take out Tony when he's grabbed by a bunch of New York citizens. He sees the damange they casued, orders both sides to stand down, and lets himself be arrested.
- 50 State initiative goes into place. Cap still has random superhero groups underground. Sue goes back to Reed. Tony becomes head of SHIELD.
And for the record....that's really lame.
Adam Balm wrote:The Ginger Man wrote:EDIT: I found what happened. Here it is in tiny text for anyone interested.
- Cloak teleports everyone outside of Baxter Building.
- Clor shows up to help, and Namor shows up to help Cap.
- Hercules takes out Clor, and Reed is hurt taking a shot from Tasky meant for Sue.
- Cap is about to take out Tony when he's grabbed by a bunch of New York citizens. He sees the damange they casued, orders both sides to stand down, and lets himself be arrested.
- 50 State initiative goes into place. Cap still has random superhero groups underground. Sue goes back to Reed. Tony becomes head of SHIELD.
And for the record....that's really lame.
And supposedly Joss Whedon was the one who gave them the ending too, so I can't wait for MW's reaction to that...
MasterWhedon wrote:Adam Balm wrote:The Ginger Man wrote:EDIT: I found what happened. Here it is in tiny text for anyone interested.
- Cloak teleports everyone outside of Baxter Building.
- Clor shows up to help, and Namor shows up to help Cap.
- Hercules takes out Clor, and Reed is hurt taking a shot from Tasky meant for Sue.
- Cap is about to take out Tony when he's grabbed by a bunch of New York citizens. He sees the damange they casued, orders both sides to stand down, and lets himself be arrested.
- 50 State initiative goes into place. Cap still has random superhero groups underground. Sue goes back to Reed. Tony becomes head of SHIELD.
And for the record....that's really lame.
And supposedly Joss Whedon was the one who gave them the ending too, so I can't wait for MW's reaction to that...
Buh-buh-buh-wha?!![]()
As I understand it, he was at the meeting where they decided the ending, and he hammered home that they had to fully commit to it, but I never heard that he was the one who came up with it.
MasterWhedon wrote:Joe Quesada's mentioned that meeting about a gazillion times now over at Newsarama, whenever he talks about the ending. And it's really funny, because he always refers to it as "that meeting that Joss Whedon dropped in on"--again and again, almost like he's name-dropping.
You gotta feel bad for Mark Millar, who must've been there too!
MasterWhedon wrote:Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway, I still kinda liked it. I just really dig what it does to the landscape of the Marvel Universe, how it really has shaken things up for the next few years at least.
Adam Balm wrote:I totally agree. It doesn't feel organic. It does smell of artificially imposed shock tactics (which is also Millar's cologne btw) but that's pretty much what I expected. I was hoping for better, but oh well..
The Ginger Man wrote:I can't wait to see how they "fix" Spidey's unmasking in the future. I'm betting we get a second (or new) Spider-Man so Peter can sit-out for a while and get lost among the confusion...only to later step back into the costume.
MasterWhedon wrote:You guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuys... I agree.
My writing partner and I were joking around about how we should be the EIC's of Marvel, how we'd completely strip it down to maaaaaaaybe ten titles and have big, sprawling, interconnected stories that would build together to a climax years in the making. We'd be fired in a second, but it'd still make for some damn fun storytelling.
MasterWhedon wrote:It's like you've thought about this or something...
Personally, I can't stand multiple montlies around one character. Why does Superman, Batman or Spider-Man NEED three, four, five books a month? The honest answer is they don't. They should have a focused, centralized story for each of these characters so there can actually be some growth and change. Instead, it's like they're hegding their bets on a handful of half-assed stories that never get anywhere. At times, I've liked the way the X-Men have done it, with separate teams going off on separate missions. I even really like the purpose of the two new Avengers teams. But, in the end, it's just a fucking headache to figure out all the continuity.
Fewer projects, higher quality--that's the mantra.
instant_karma wrote:Oh...I thought this was a thread about Alt ID's.
Sorry...I'll go now...
NRAMA: Okay – back to what happened, as it became the focal point of the entire conflict - straight up - were there civilian casualties in this fight? Looking at the damage, and knowing that there was a push to remove people from the location by rescue workers, Iron Man's side and Ben...still...not at least one old lady who refused to leave without her cats that bought it?
TB [says NRAMA but I think it's a typo]: Over in Front Line #11, there’s a statistic given of fifty-three dead, six of whom were costumed super-powered individuals
johnnyrocket wrote:Matt, Tom. I've said it before and I'll say it again.
If Tom has to come on chat boards to explain motviations, what happened, or fill in gaps from things that happened so far off panel they'll never see the light of day, then IT"S POOR STORY TELLING.
Tom's reading of the internal memo actually tells me more about the characters, motivations, the lingering respect between Tony and Cap, and the new status quo than what happened in the actual issue. After seeing this memo the published story itself seems like an abridged story with a series of 'jump cuts.' Tom's not just fleshing it out for us. Things like Cap asking Tony to guard the identities is an IMPORTANT PLOT POINT.
But let me guess. There's ANOTHER special you'd like me to buy that will have a conversation that will flesh out the points of the internal memo.. and it'll be written by Bendis. No thanks, I read the memo.
Its also a mistake to dismiss fans expecting a tighter continuity to the story itself. You can't expect fans to buy all the extraneous stories but then expect us not to be puzzled by plot points that should have been established in a 'story bible' at the on set of your project. But that's not even the real gripe. The real gripe all along has been that the main story can not stand on its own, and if so, is an incomplete tale. Heck, we all have to pick up Frontline in two weeks just to know what the big secret motiviation of the main character is. And the fact that Frontline wasn't ready or scheduled to be shipped yesterday, after all the other delays, is the other problem.
You can't have it both ways.
MasterWhedon wrote:Umm, I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't Maria Hill OFFER Tony the job at the end of New Avengers #25? So, like, why's he asking her to get coffee?
MasterWhedon wrote:Umm, I might be remembering this wrong, but didn't Maria Hill OFFER Tony the job at the end of New Avengers #25? So, like, why's he asking her to get coffee?
Lord Voldemoo wrote:MW: on that critique that you posted, I agree as well. And I really, really wish they had included that discussion between Tony and Cap about Tony taking responsibility for the heroes' identities.
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