magicmonkey wrote:If this thread gets to two pages I'll leave it open... you have 10 minutes!
If you are so bummed about the DVD just download the movie, recorded in a cinema and relive the theater experience for free, with the poor picture quality actually adding to the grindhouse feel.
The Todd wrote:DennisMM wrote:Blah. Blah. Blah.
Conroy420 wrote:...TO NOT HAVE THE TRAILERS totally takes away from Grindhouse as an experience...
Hell, I might not even buy the DVD for this very reason. I've resisted to get 'Kill Bill' because I'm awaiting the ever-pending special edition.
I just wish they did this release right.
DennisMM wrote:Is that really you, Founder? Didn't know you used words like "fuckered."
I didn't see Grindhouse in theaters and now I'm not sure I'll see it on DVD. It's as if they just cut out chunks of The Office because it's done in the fake-doc style and considered it acceptable.
Pacino86845 wrote:DennisMM wrote:Is that really you, Founder? Didn't know you used words like "fuckered."
I didn't see Grindhouse in theaters and now I'm not sure I'll see it on DVD. It's as if they just cut out chunks of The Office because it's done in the fake-doc style and considered it acceptable.
LOL yes it's me, I guess this news has me on edge!!
@Chilli: I live in Europe as well, but luckily I'd been in the US for a conference when Grindhouse was released. You betcha I went to see it, took a couple of people with me too... I did my part! (didn't change anything though...)
Chilli wrote:Fantastic stuff dude. What was it like as a cinematic experience? Were the Americans there up for it?
Chilli wrote:Ah.
Strikes me that its one of those things where if the people go, they dig it, but its getting them to go. Went to see Serenity in a small Welsh cinema, and the place was packed and everyone was reacting to the lines. Its just the fact that they're marketed poorly that's the problem.
Chilli wrote:Think about us poor Brits. We don't even get the full experience at the cinema, let alone DVD. Bloody American cinema audiences, why can't you come out in droves for experimental shit?
sonnyboo wrote:I'm not too disappointed. I preferred DEATH PROOF to PLANET TERROR, and now that I'm given the choice, I'd rather only own DEATH PROOF (which I bought this past weekend).
In the GRINDHOUSE review thread, Zarles wrote:Picked up Death Proof on DVD this week, and I'm more in love with it than I was when I first saw it. It's the extended cut, and the extra 30 minutes or so really make it into a valid, complete film as opposed to the novelty it might've seemed like while attached to 'Grindhouse' as a whole. I can say with no reservation that DP is now one of my favorite Tarantino movies. Jackie Brown and Kill Bill still edge it out, but not by a whole hell of a lot.
Characters are expanded, plot points that seemed a little flimsy are fleshed out, explained, and paid off, and the uber-deliciousness of Vanessa Farlito and Mary-Elizabeth Winstead is abound like never before. I MUCH prefer this extended, full cut to the shorter version, and that's really the only part of Vern's review that I disagree with. Shorter is not better in this case at all.
The extras. Well, we don't get the trailers, as we all know, but there's really a lot included in this 2-disc set to kinda sorta make up for it. I haven't watched the second disc yet, but on the first, there are poster galleries, music selections, and some pretty good and appropriate trailers for other films, as well. I have a pet peeve with trailers being included on DVDs that have absolutely shit-all to do with the film whose DVD they appear on, so this was a definite plus for me. We get rarely-seen trailers for Planet Terror, 1408, a few other horror/thrillers, and on the second disc, a promo for a stuntwoman documentary featuring my secret Kiwi girlfriend, Zoe Bell. Can't wait to check that out.
I'll post more about this set after I check out the second disc, but for now, I really recommend picking it up. Yes, it's not the full Grindhouse experience, but if you're a Tarantino fan, this is well worth the dough. It's not QT at his very best, but what it is is Quentin absolutely having a lot of fun with his chosen source material. I watched it at 2 AM last night, and all I wanted to do when I was done was watch it again.
Oh, and if you buy it at Blockbuster, ask if they have any posters available. I got a kick-ass Death Proof poster for four extra bucks when I bought the DVD, and it's not just some cheapie bullshit, either. Great artwork, and what's more, it's printed on thick, durable cardstock.
If you're one of those people who are 'boycotting' this DVD release, let it be known that I think it's a ridiculous stand to take. If this release and Planet Terror don't sell, then you can pretty much say goodbye to any chance of the full Grindhouse experience being released at all. There's a lot worse you could do with 20 bucks, people. This thing is absolutely worth it.
Lady Sheridan before that shit with Winslow started wrote:To me, Death Proof was just lacking something. For me, that was more of Stuntman Mike because I dug the character. I would be fine with the long dialogue if the villain had been given some more scenery to chew. I don't feel like I got enough distaste for him to root for the girls at the end.
Lady Sheridan wrote:Even though I disliked "Death Proof" in the theatre (rather famously...er...), I'm interested in seeing this extended cut because, as I once said:Lady Sheridan before that shit with Winslow started wrote:To me, Death Proof was just lacking something. For me, that was more of Stuntman Mike because I dug the character. I would be fine with the long dialogue if the villain had been given some more scenery to chew. I don't feel like I got enough distaste for him to root for the girls at the end.
I still stand by my original opinion that Tarantino forgot what he was doing halfway through. Grindhouse experience or not, I don't get why he released such a half-ass film. I wish he had taken his time and just released it as a stand-alone piece.
Nachokoolaid wrote:No one has mentioned the REAL IRONY here. The studios normally load their DVDs with tons of crap trailers that we don't want before the menu screen, and now that we want a trailer, they deny us. HA!
TheBaxter wrote:more likely, the weinsteins, trying to make every last cent possible off of this, will release a separate dvd for each individual trailer... maybe it will be an extended director's cut trailer with an extra 20 seconds of footage added in, a director's commentary, and a 15-minute making of featurette. as well as about 6 trailers for upcoming shitty weinstein company films that you can't skip over at the very beginning.
TheBaxter wrote:more likely, the weinsteins, trying to make every last cent possible off of this, will release a separate dvd for each individual trailer... maybe it will be an extended director's cut trailer with an extra 20 seconds of footage added in, a director's commentary, and a 15-minute making of featurette. as well as about 6 trailers for upcoming shitty weinstein company films that you can't skip over at the very beginning.
minstrel wrote:TheBaxter wrote:more likely, the weinsteins, trying to make every last cent possible off of this, will release a separate dvd for each individual trailer... maybe it will be an extended director's cut trailer with an extra 20 seconds of footage added in, a director's commentary, and a 15-minute making of featurette. as well as about 6 trailers for upcoming shitty weinstein company films that you can't skip over at the very beginning.
Baxter, I have to say that it's very difficult for me to read intelligent and well-informed comments from you while looking at that av of yours - I just keep imagining the comments you make being shouted at me by this bawling Britney fanatic and I can't help laughing!
RaulMonkey wrote:In the GRINDHOUSE review thread, Zarles wrote:Picked up Death Proof on DVD this week, and I'm more in love with it than I was when I first saw it. It's the extended cut, and the extra 30 minutes or so really make it into a valid, complete film as opposed to the novelty it might've seemed like while attached to 'Grindhouse' as a whole. I can say with no reservation that DP is now one of my favorite Tarantino movies. Jackie Brown and Kill Bill still edge it out, but not by a whole hell of a lot.
Characters are expanded, plot points that seemed a little flimsy are fleshed out, explained, and paid off, and the uber-deliciousness of Vanessa Farlito and Mary-Elizabeth Winstead is abound like never before. I MUCH prefer this extended, full cut to the shorter version, and that's really the only part of Vern's review that I disagree with. Shorter is not better in this case at all.
The extras. Well, we don't get the trailers, as we all know, but there's really a lot included in this 2-disc set to kinda sorta make up for it. I haven't watched the second disc yet, but on the first, there are poster galleries, music selections, and some pretty good and appropriate trailers for other films, as well. I have a pet peeve with trailers being included on DVDs that have absolutely shit-all to do with the film whose DVD they appear on, so this was a definite plus for me. We get rarely-seen trailers for Planet Terror, 1408, a few other horror/thrillers, and on the second disc, a promo for a stuntwoman documentary featuring my secret Kiwi girlfriend, Zoe Bell. Can't wait to check that out.
I'll post more about this set after I check out the second disc, but for now, I really recommend picking it up. Yes, it's not the full Grindhouse experience, but if you're a Tarantino fan, this is well worth the dough. It's not QT at his very best, but what it is is Quentin absolutely having a lot of fun with his chosen source material. I watched it at 2 AM last night, and all I wanted to do when I was done was watch it again.
Oh, and if you buy it at Blockbuster, ask if they have any posters available. I got a kick-ass Death Proof poster for four extra bucks when I bought the DVD, and it's not just some cheapie bullshit, either. Great artwork, and what's more, it's printed on thick, durable cardstock.
If you're one of those people who are 'boycotting' this DVD release, let it be known that I think it's a ridiculous stand to take. If this release and Planet Terror don't sell, then you can pretty much say goodbye to any chance of the full Grindhouse experience being released at all. There's a lot worse you could do with 20 bucks, people. This thing is absolutely worth it.
I was never one to shit on DEATH PROOF before, but IMO the extended cut is vastly superior. The whole story has more time to breathe and come to life, the character of Stuntman Mike is more sharply defined, and I feel as if the film's very nature as part of the slasher genre is better defined. The twenty seconds or so we spend with Stuntman Mike in his car as the girls are coming out of Guero's changes the feel of everything that happens at the Texas Chili Parlor. Seeing him creepily moaning and putting eye drops in while looking at pictures of the girls leaves no doubt: there's something seriously wrong with this guy! Everything he does after that becomes laced with menace, and there's a feeling of building suspense after that where I felt there was none in the theatrical cut. Until he zooms off with Pam (Rose McGowan), he was pretty damn likeable before! When he all of a sudden turns into a murderer, it felt a little bit out of left field. The Morricone music as Arlene spies his car outside of Guero's and the way the camera zooms onto his eye in the Chili Parlor were pretty much the only indications we had that something was awry. He seemed like a weirdo, sure, when he was unable to sneeze on the porch, but there was no palpable sense of threat there. When he asked Arlene if he scared her and she said "Yes," I was sort of like, "Really?"
Over the course of the movie we see three sides of Stuntman Mike: the charmer, the killer, and the crying little baby. In the theatrical cut there wasn't enough time for all of these sides to emerge organically and make the picture of a complete human being. It felt herky-jerky. One second he's the charmer, the next second he's the killer. Then all of a sudden he suffers a total meltdown and becomes the sad specimen of the film's closing minutes. But in the extended cut, we get to see all three of these sides earlier on. It's a much more balanced presentation. Mike's the crying little baby the first time we see him, and the fact that he has pictures of these young girls he's clearly stalking, the killer is there too. Then when he busts out the charmer as he slides his keys over to Pam to offer her a ride, it's like holy shit! He's even more dangerous than we thought. He knows how to get close to his victims! And then there's more of the needy fuckhead in the new scene outside of the convenience store too. It's all a much more satisfying presentation of a great, demented character.
I still don't understand the need for or the point of the references to Tarantino's earlier work sprinkled throughout the movie, and they are still distracting, but not as much as in the theatrical cut because now they're more spaced out! Score again.
At this point, I'm perfectly willing to wait for the GRINDHOUSE experience on DVD. I appreciate what Rodriguez and Tarantino were going for, and props to them for being adventurous and trying something different, but I don't think I can say it was an unqualified artistic success. I think another part of the reason I liked DEATH PROOF on DVD was that I could appreciate it on its own terms, instead of as part of this larger statement. I wasn't expecting a complete blood 'n' guts exploitation flick a la PLANET TERROR or even KILL BILL VOL. 1 from Tarantino's flick. I understood that the second half of GRINDHOUSE would be a more realistic, meandering movie. And I get that part of the grindhouse experience back in the day was watching two or three extremely different movies back-to-back, but that doesn't mean that it really works on an aesthetic level. I think that the realm of crazy titillation PLANET TERROR brought us to was a bad starting point to be at going in to DEATH PROOF. Freed from the constraints of the experimental construct he'd dreamed up with Robert Rodriguez, Tarantino's movie finds an astonishing life all its own. 9 out of 10!
RaulMonkey wrote:papa, you know that "Papa Lazeru" guy in the Talkbacks was tearing DEATH PROOF a new asshole? I thought he was you until I saw you praising it in The Zone.
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