Keepcoolbutcare wrote:not only that, but ask a decent number of chicks, and they'll agree, Seth Rogen is teh cute.
Hell yeah, he's Canadian.
Vegeta wrote:
Becuase losers don't turn their lives around *snaps fingers* just like that. And honestly that's all Ben was, a loser.
Regardless, I am still stunned that Alison slept with him, period. That's the biggest suspension of belief in the film, and sadly it's basically the premise. "What if this guy got you pregnant?", simply wouldn't of happened, at least not how it did in the film.
Becuase losers don't turn their lives around *snaps fingers* just like that. And honestly that's all Ben was, a loser.
Regardless, I am still stunned that Alison slept with him, period. That's the biggest suspension of belief in the film, and sadly it's basically the premise. "What if this guy got you pregnant?", simply wouldn't of happened, at least not how it did in the film.
Nordling wrote:It's always been funny to me how people can accept magical rings, cars that turn into robots, lightsabers, superheroes, and Bruce Willis surviving massive explosions but have trouble grasping how a character in a romantic comedy could possibly have sex with the really pretty girl.
Vegeta wrote:I never said that attractive women never sleep with not so attractive guys.
What I said that she would have never have slept with him in a million years.
Regardless of her being drunk, I have several reasons why I think this:
1) She was a very successful woman. I do recall her talking about her job and her
promotion when they met. I don't recall her asking what he did for a living til
the next day, and her reaction was utter and complete horror. Am I to believe that
she didn't ask this the night before, you know, before she slept with him? I felt Ben
was an honest guy and would of answered honestly, if asked. The likelyhood
of this question being asked and him answering honestly is fairly high.
Unemployed/Porn Site Designer = No Sex!
Vegeta wrote:2. He was an avid stoner. It was like a huge part of his life, and she didn't
smoke it. The likelyhood he didn't go out and get stoned, invite her along, or
talk at length about weed smoking is highly unlikely. Oh and if you recall her reaction
to this the next day... utter and complete horror.
Survey says = No nookie!
Vegeta wrote:3. His friends were there. I do recall she met the sleaziest of them, and likely most
acceptable on first meeting. I just have a hard time believing his friends wouldn't of came
over and f!@#ed up any action for the evening or he invited her to sit with them and
therefore f!@#ed up any action for the evening. Because as we all recall, what was her
reaction upon meeting all his friends... utter and complete horror.
Friends in attendance = no punanny!
Nordling wrote:Many don't understand why she didn't have an shushmortion...
Vegeta wrote:Okay, I'll let that go, but another problem was that all of his friends, and him, were fucking total foul-mouthed drug addict loser jerkoffs.
Sure, it plays for laughs, and at one time I was just like them, but it got old fast.
Brocktune wrote:Vegeta wrote:Okay, I'll let that go, but another problem was that all of his friends, and him, were fucking total foul-mouthed drug addict loser jerkoffs.
Sure, it plays for laughs, and at one time I was just like them, but it got old fast.
and yet, you come here, to teh zone on a regular basis?
i no get it.
Nordling wrote: I'm reading, pretty much exclusively from guys, across the Internet, a total failure in understanding the women characters of this movie.
Apatow writes men with far more insight and acuity than he writes women. As a result, his portrait of contemporary gender relations is unbalanced: Crude and hilarious in Guyville, he seizes up when he gets to Ladyland and allows himself to take refuge in comfortable clichés.
What motivates Alison Scott (Katherine Heigl of Grey's Anatomy), a successful, self-possessed, and officially hot reporter for the E! network, to have drunken sex with Ben Stone (Seth Rogen), an unemployed schlub who lives in the Valley with four Neanderthal buddies (Martin Starr, Jason Segel, Jay Baruchel, and Jonah Hill)? Don't get me wrong, I love funny Jewish guys with curly hair and low self-esteem (hi, sweetie!), but this is not a sociologically credible hookup. Without knowing a little more about Alison's romantic past or preferences, it's impossible not to take this mismatch as a sheer plot contrivance, a male fantasy a la According to Jim.
Lecko's quote from the article I linked wrote:Without knowing a little more about Alison's romantic past or preferences, it's impossible not to take this mismatch as a sheer plot contrivance, a male fantasy a la According to Jim.
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:Nordling wrote: I'm reading, pretty much exclusively from guys, across the Internet, a total failure in understanding the women characters of this movie.
here's a female perspective that you may not have come across.
Lady Sheridan wrote:Also, the idea that pot-smoking and joblessness would come up in a club--please! It's impossible to talk in those places, they're dancing and drinking. They're having a laugh. And frankly, even if they did find some cozy spot to chat--sadly, the whole problem with meeting the opposite sex is that it takes way too long for the truth to come out. I've known guys over a year before learning they were alcoholics or stalkers.
Vegeta wrote:Lady Sheridan wrote:Also, the idea that pot-smoking and joblessness would come up in a club--please! It's impossible to talk in those places, they're dancing and drinking. They're having a laugh. And frankly, even if they did find some cozy spot to chat--sadly, the whole problem with meeting the opposite sex is that it takes way too long for the truth to come out. I've known guys over a year before learning they were alcoholics or stalkers.
Not to keep beating this dead horse, but...
It's hard to believe that she wouldn't of asked him what he did for a living after she talks about her job and awesome promotion... just saying.
Lady Sheridan wrote:I don't think it's far out that Alison and Ben slept together--I read that Slate review last week and while I saw its point, I found it a bit shrill as well. I think it's just as much of a cliche that a beautiful woman only will sleep with a beautiful man, as much as it is for the beautiful woman to hook up with a total schlub. There's a variable called "chemistry" that dictates who hooks up with who. No one, except possibly in the most plastic and hollow of Hollywood circles goes "I'm pretty, you're pretty, we should SO have sex!"
Eunuch Provocateur wrote:So I take it fleshofthestars.com took off? It seems like that was brushed off. And how does a website like that make money? Ad Revenue?
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:Nordling wrote: I'm reading, pretty much exclusively from guys, across the Internet, a total failure in understanding the women characters of this movie.
here's a female perspective that you may not have come across.Apatow writes men with far more insight and acuity than he writes women. As a result, his portrait of contemporary gender relations is unbalanced: Crude and hilarious in Guyville, he seizes up when he gets to Ladyland and allows himself to take refuge in comfortable clichés.
i don't necessarily agree with her, especially since I don't know which particular female characters created and written by males she doesn't think comes across as "unbalanced" and "cliche-y", but she does make a salient point or two.
Nachokoolaid wrote:I never really posted my thoughts, but I gave this film an 8/10. I liked it a lot, but not as much as 40 YOV.
Vegeta, not to step on your toes, but I get the feeling that you don't like stoners.
Chilli wrote:WHOA
Have to articulate my thoughts, but thats easily the best film I've seen this year and one of the best I've seen in ages.
ETA
Thoughts are buzzing, so this'll come out rather rattled and sparsely (if at all) with the coherence. Best film this year for me by far, best film of the 00s by far, one of the best films I've seen period so far. Just flat out awesome. Its funny, its beautiful, its poignant, its genuine and its just so damn painfully realistic that, at points, its like watching some actual take place.
Yes, its a Hollywood film, there's no mistaking that, but the film doesn't sugarcoat. There's a happy ending, of sorts, but the film doesn't naively paint that it has all the answers. Rogan is great, Heigl is better, the supporting cast is terrific, and there's a bit in a hotel room that manages to be funny and dramatic within the space of three seconds intervals without missing a step.
Its the sort of film that makes you appreciate life, want to take chances, want to experience it fuller.
10/10.
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