so sorry wrote:From the article Fawst posted (no spoliers)Pullman has not been shy in the past about verbalizing his beliefs -- or, some might say, nonbeliefs -- and his intentions in writing the "Dark Materials" novels.
The novelist has said they are in response to C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia," the popular children's fantasy series of which "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" is the first book, written by Lewis to teach Christian ideals to kids.
"I loathe the 'Narnia' books," Pullman has said in previous press interviews. "I hate them with a deep and bitter passion, with their view of childhood as a golden age from which sexuality and adulthood are a falling away." He has called the series "one of the most ugly and poisonous things" he's ever read.
So he thinks that Narnia is poison, so he writes the opposite and that's supposed to be better?
Interesting logic.
minstrel wrote:I haven't read these books either. Weird, though - a guy in a Yahoo group I'm in sent the group a message with the heading "Very Important!" containing this link.
Apparently it pissed him off and he thinks everybody should boycott the film and the books.
Is it really indicative of the attitudes of Christians generally that they do NOT want children to be exposed to ideas that challenge their beliefs? Are they afraid that their numbers will dwindle unless they basically brainwash their kids?
Bob Poopflingius Maximus wrote:So it is wrong that I enjoyed my childhood??!?
LaDracul wrote:After seeing the new trailer, I just think it's not very subtle that Pullman is pushing his beliefs on people. And I don't think he realizes that it's an uphill battle. So, as of now, I'm still going to see what that Catholic Explorer paper says before I even consider it.
Or else we'll get a "Father Ted" type protest with some priests who've lost their handcuff keys in plenty of theaters...
stereosforgeeks wrote:LaDracul wrote:Aft er seeing the new trailer, I just think it's not very subtle that Pullman is pushing his beliefs on people. And I don't think he realizes that it's an uphill battle. So, as of now, I'm still going to see what that Catholic Explorer paper says before I even consider it.
Or else we'll get a "Father Ted" type protest with some priests who've lost their handcuff keys in plenty of theaters...
Wasn't it already stated that that stuff was pulled out.
Also what in that trailer makes you think that this is about atheism?
stereosforgeeks wrote:LaDracul wrote:Aft er seeing the new trailer, I just think it's not very subtle that Pullman is pushing his beliefs on people. And I don't think he realizes that it's an uphill battle. So, as of now, I'm still going to see what that Catholic Explorer paper says before I even consider it.
Or else we'll get a "Father Ted" type protest with some priests who've lost their handcuff keys in plenty of theaters...
I thought I remember hearing that stuff was pulled out.
Also what in that trailer makes you think that it is about atheism?
junesquad wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:LaDracul wrote:After seeing the new trailer, I just think it's not very subtle that Pullman is pushing his beliefs on people. And I don't think he realizes that it's an uphill battle. So, as of now, I'm still going to see what that Catholic Explorer paper says before I even consider it.
Or else we'll get a "Father Ted" type protest with some priests who've lost their handcuff keys in plenty of theaters...
I thought I remember hearing that stuff was pulled out.
Also what in that trailer makes you think that it is about atheism?
Well, I don't know about the trailer, but the trilogy of books ends with children killing God so that everyone can do as they please. I read this article on the topic. After reading this article, I decided to read more about the author, so I went to the author's website to read more about him and the books. After reading these sections, I decided to read another part of his page where he answers a variety of questions... after reading about him and his books, I decided I wouldn't be spending the money or taking my little loved ones.
**FYI: Each of the links are to a different website.
LaDracul wrote:After seeing the new trailer, I just think it's not very subtle that Pullman is pushing his beliefs on people. And I don't think he realizes that it's an uphill battle. So, as of now, I'm still going to see what that Catholic Explorer paper says before I even consider it.
Or else we'll get a "Father Ted" type protest with some priests who've lost their handcuff keys in plenty of theaters...
stereosforgeeks wrote:Lecko the books are quite good, actually. The first one is on the slow side though. I have no idea if the movies will be or not of course.
junesquad wrote:I wasn't meaning to offend, I just saw the question and was trying to give information that might be useful to interested parties.
junesquad wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:LaDracul wrote:Aft er seeing the new trailer, I just think it's not very subtle that Pullman is pushing his beliefs on people. And I don't think he realizes that it's an uphill battle. So, as of now, I'm still going to see what that Catholic Explorer paper says before I even consider it.
Or else we'll get a "Father Ted" type protest with some priests who've lost their handcuff keys in plenty of theaters...
I thought I remember hearing that stuff was pulled out.
Also what in that trailer makes you think that it is about atheism?
Well, I don't know about the trailer, but the trilogy of books ends with children killing God so that everyone can do as they please. I read this article on the topic. After reading this article, I decided to read more about the author, so I went to the author's website to read more about him and the books. After reading these sections, I decided to read another part of his page where he answers a variety of questions... after reading about him and his books, I decided I wouldn't be spending the money or taking my little loved ones.
**FYI: Each of the links are to a different website.
stereosforgeeks wrote:I think junesquad said he hadn't read the books.
tapehead wrote:was the point
junesquad wrote:I definitely read things that go against my religion. I'm reading Wicked: The Life and Times of The Wicked Witch of the West and it's not a Christian book by any stretch of the imagination. I simply was giving some information to a post.
tapehead wrote:Unfortunately in this case your info is a little off-base, and would seem to me to be a seious distortion of events occuring towards the end of the third book.
junesquad wrote:tapehead wrote:Unfortunately in this case your info is a little off-base, and would seem to me to be a seious distortion of events occuring towards the end of the third book.
It may be that the information distorted the events of the books (particularly the ending), however, it would not the be the first time this has happened, such as The Grande Rojo Potter series, which I enjoy, or even some Disney movies. That is why I went to the author's site. His general stance is overt that he does not believe there is a God. So, I made the decision not to read the books. I can chose to respect the guy's beliefs without reading the books and that's okay. However, due to the misunderstanding of my motivation in posting the information that I did, I will make all such future posts such as these (should there be any) private messages to the individual I am responding to.
I hope this clarifies my motivations in posting what I did.
tapehead wrote:I don't think that would be fair. There are a lot of them, though.
Lady Sheridan wrote:To return to discussion of the film...
I'm not sure how I feel about this movie now. The second trailer hooked me, but this final one...hmmm. CGI still looks a bit off and Daniel Craig might as well not be in it. And the daemon's seem a bit too cuddly.
But what really worries me is Lyra. I hope the actress shows a bit more spark as she's coming off very dull and untalented. "Wot's it for?" Where's the girl who climbs the roofs of Oxford? Given that a trailer usually has the most exciting bits of any actor's performance...oh dear.
DaleTremont wrote:Part of me wishes someone could travel back to the 80s and make this movie with Jim Henson creations and the general tone of Amblin back in the day. That would get it right.
LaDracul wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:LaDracul wrote:Aft er seeing the new trailer, I just think it's not very subtle that Pullman is pushing his beliefs on people. And I don't think he realizes that it's an uphill battle. So, as of now, I'm still going to see what that Catholic Explorer paper says before I even consider it.
Or else we'll get a "Father Ted" type protest with some priests who've lost their handcuff keys in plenty of theaters...
Wasn't it already stated that that stuff was pulled out.
Also what in that trailer makes you think that this is about atheism?
"Destroy the Magisterium" - Magisterium is the teaching authority of the Roman Catholic Church.
And I'm not sure if they're being truthful about everything being cut...
LaDracul wrote:After seeing the new trailer, I just think it's not very subtle that Pullman is pushing his beliefs on people. And I don't think he realizes that it's an uphill battle. So, as of now, I'm still going to see what that Catholic Explorer paper says before I even consider it.
Lady Sheridan wrote:I noticed they cut Lyra entirely from the tv ad campaign....
DaleTremont wrote:Lady Sheridan wrote:I noticed they cut Lyra entirely from the tv ad campaign....
Weird. I remember when the first casting news was leaking out, the rumor was Philip Pullman himself was going ape shit over this kid. "The Lyra he'd always envisioned" and that sort of thing. But if homegirl can't act...
DaleTremont wrote:Lady Sheridan wrote:I noticed they cut Lyra entirely from the tv ad campaign....
Weird. I remember when the first casting news was leaking out, the rumor was Philip Pullman himself was going ape shit over this kid. "The Lyra he'd always envisioned" and that sort of thing. But if homegirl can't act...
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