Sheriff Ed Tom Bell wrote:Okay. Two of 'em. Both had my father. It's peculiar. I'm older now then he ever was by twenty years. So in a sense he's the younger man. Anyway, first one I don't remember so well but it was about money and I think I lost it. The second one, it was like we was both back in older times and I was on horseback goin' through the mountains of a night. Goin' through this pass in the mountains. It was cold and snowin', hard ridin'. Hard country. He rode past me and kept on goin'. Never said nothin' goin' by. He just rode on past and he had his blanket wrapped around him and his head down and when he rode past I seen he was carryin' fire in a horn the way people used to do and I could see the horn from the light inside of it. About the color of the moon. And in the dream I knew that he was goin' on ahead and that he was fixin' to make a fire somewhere out there in all that dark and all that cold, and I knew that whenever I got there he would be there. Out there up ahead. And then I woke up.
MasterWhedon wrote: And, well, it's everything it's been cracked up to be. It's a flat-out brilliant film--if not the best of the year, easily in the top three--and I wouldn't be surprised if this finally gets them the Best Director Oscar.
I don't want to say much about it because you should see this movie totally unspoiled. There are twists and turns in the plot--which never really feels like "twists" or "turns"--that need to be experienced in the quiet, tense-as-fuck environment you can only get when you have absolutely no idea what's coming next. So, if you don't know much about the movie yet, my advice is to not read another word about it and just go buy yourself a ticket.
Two things I will say:
1) I love how quiet the movie is. There is no score to the film, save for one or two moments (and even then, it's not noticeable unless you're listening for it, as I was), and it helps create both the sense of reality and, in some cases, the sheer fucking terror.
2) Javier Bardem's Anton Chigurh is the scariest motherfucker alive. I know people say characters are "scary" all the time, but this guy made me physically uncomfortable every time he appeared on screen because of what a black hole of emotion he is. A brilliant performance that will likely earn him the Supporting Actor Oscar.
Fabulous movie, folks. If it's not open in your area yet, make sure you see it once it opens wide.
10/10
Nachokoolaid wrote: I feel like I missed something in that retelling of the dream, and I know I won't get to catch it again until DVD.
Chairman Kaga wrote:Nachokoolaid wrote: I feel like I missed something in that retelling of the dream, and I know I won't get to catch it again until DVD.
My interpretation was that the cold darkness was the future Tommy Lee Jones' character was afraid of and he didn't "belong" to....The symbolism of the small fire may be like trying to keep alive his values and ideals in the face of this new, ever changing world.
I haven't read the book so I don't know if my interpretation is at all correct.
I just saw this on Saturday and loved it though I did hear grumblings from parts of the crowd regarding "great movie, terrible ending". I think the average person is too used to the standards/cliches of modern movies and then get uncomfortable/upset if the film diverges from them.
Leckomaniac wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Nachokoolaid wrote: I feel like I missed something in that retelling of the dream, and I know I won't get to catch it again until DVD.
My interpretation was that the cold darkness was the future Tommy Lee Jones' character was afraid of and he didn't "belong" to....The symbolism of the small fire may be like trying to keep alive his values and ideals in the face of this new, ever changing world.
I haven't read the book so I don't know if my interpretation is at all correct.
I just saw this on Saturday and loved it though I did hear grumblings from parts of the crowd regarding "great movie, terrible ending". I think the average person is too used to the standards/cliches of modern movies and then get uncomfortable/upset if the film diverges from them.
I talked to three of my friends that are not of the movie geek variety. They only see the more mainstream movies and they have quite vanilla tastes. I talked to each of them on separate occasions and all three had the EXACT same response:
Me: You saw "No Country For Old Men"?
Them: Yeah it was a sweet movie, the ending was bad though
By the time I got to the third friend I almost said the response with him. It was frightening.
Chairman Kaga wrote:
My interpretation was that the cold darkness was the future Tommy Lee Jones' character was afraid of and he didn't "belong" to....The symbolism of the small fire may be like trying to keep alive his values and ideals in the face of this new, ever changing world.
tapehead wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:
My interpretation was that the cold darkness was the future Tommy Lee Jones' character was afraid of and he didn't "belong" to....The symbolism of the small fire may be like trying to keep alive his values and ideals in the face of this new, ever changing world.
That's a pretty good reading I think Chaiman, and I think it's fine to disregard the book if we haven't seen it, as the movie stands on it's own as a complete incarnation of the story. Maybe I was thinking more of 'death' in place of the word 'future' in your explanation, however I think they kind of amount to the same thing for Sheriff Bell in that scene.
Dee E. Goppstober wrote:tapehead wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:
My interpretation was that the cold darkness was the future Tommy Lee Jones' character was afraid of and he didn't "belong" to....The symbolism of the small fire may be like trying to keep alive his values and ideals in the face of this new, ever changing world.
That's a pretty good reading I think Chaiman, and I think it's fine to disregard the book if we haven't seen it, as the movie stands on it's own as a complete incarnation of the story. Maybe I was thinking more of 'death' in place of the word 'future' in your explanation, however I think they kind of amount to the same thing for Sheriff Bell in that scene.
Good one. This explanation would tie in best with the title, I suppose. When I heard Sherriff Bell's telling of the second dream - my first interpretation was that he simply had lost faith that God would ever come to him (he mentions this earlier on in the movie too), no fatherly figure will be waiting at the end of it to make it all well. No light, no warmth, no solace. Wether it is in retirement or in death.
Chairman Kaga wrote: I just saw this on Saturday and loved it though I did hear grumblings from parts of the crowd regarding "great movie, terrible ending". I think the average person is too used to the standards/cliches of modern movies and then get uncomfortable/upset if the film diverges from them.
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:ETA: solid thread fellow Zoners; certain films bring out the best in us, and this is certainly one of them.
seppukudkurosawa wrote:Maybe threads like this hold up so well because the UK Zoners are barred from contributing to them by dint of being born on Atavism Island?
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:yeah, well ya'll beat us to important stuff, like abolition...
seppukudkurosawa wrote:Keepcoolbutcare wrote:yeah, well ya'll beat us to important stuff, like abolition...
Heh. Point. But Haiti got the jump on us, and No Country For Old Men's not coming out there for half a year!
I think there's a lesson to be learned there about not going into things too hastily...
tapehead wrote:seppukudkurosawa wrote:Keepcoolbutcare wrote:yeah, well ya'll beat us to important stuff, like abolition...
Heh. Point. But Haiti got the jump on us, and No Country For Old Men's not coming out there for half a year!
I think there's a lesson to be learned there about not going into things too hastily...
According to the Odeon website, it's out on the 18 of January - you'll make it.
has anyone made the connection between the sherriff and chigurh? as in... perhaps it's a psychopathic split personality?
Here's why i think:
- sherriff is never surprised at the details his deputy brings him... just calmly collects them.
- he's never the one pointing out facts... just taking them in.
- Moss' wife calls the sherriff and says, can you promise not to tell anyone? almost like a hint because they show the Mexican's determining location but never Chigurh... how did he end up there at the end?
- the TV set and the reflection of both chigurh and the sherriff... like a different view of a split personlity. then again through the reflection in the lock hole where there were two reflections. and perhaps the sherriff was going back to the scene of the crime to finally pick up the money.
- when the sherriff goes to visit Moss' wife while Moss was on the run he talks about the farmer with the cattle gun but never comes to the amazing coincidence that, "oh hey... that's right.... that caused the same impact as the killer i'm chasing". One would think the sherriff would have caught that one. maybe that's where he got the idea for the weapon?
- When his deputy told him no bullets were found, it was almost an annoyed response and a rhetorical question.... how could that POSSIBLY have happened?!
- and finally in the end of the movie he talks about the guy always being up ahead of himi in his dream... in the future.... in the darkness, lighting the fire. Kind of like no matter where he goes in life, that psychopathic side of him will always be there.
- wait, one more "and finally"... did you notice when Moss' wife comes home after the funeral and see's Chigurh for the very first time, she's not even shocked..... almost like she already knew him and perhaps suspected some evil intentions.
...but he didn't kill Moss as he had planned. Instead, he got to the scene too late and just in time to see the mexicans kill him and drive off. A curious point to notice would be whether the locks were shot out on the door when he arrived or not. My guess is they weren't because the sherriff/ chigurh hadn't arrived yet. this would prove my point, maybe. maybe chigurh is the sherriff's younger self or something like that.
I think everyone missed the real point the C. brothers were trying to get across. They were trying to portray Moss as Mike Vick, because they are both dog killers. Then they added Anton as PETA who is supposed to track down the dog killer. The gun that Anton carries around is actually supposed to represent the gavel of a judge.
Nachokoolaid wrote:Two cool interpretations that I would have never thought of:has anyone made the connection between the sherriff and chigurh? as in... perhaps it's a psychopathic split personality?
Here's why i think:
- sherriff is never surprised at the details his deputy brings him... just calmly collects them.
- he's never the one pointing out facts... just taking them in.
- Moss' wife calls the sherriff and says, can you promise not to tell anyone? almost like a hint because they show the Mexican's determining location but never Chigurh... how did he end up there at the end?
- the TV set and the reflection of both chigurh and the sherriff... like a different view of a split personlity. then again through the reflection in the lock hole where there were two reflections. and perhaps the sherriff was going back to the scene of the crime to finally pick up the money.
- when the sherriff goes to visit Moss' wife while Moss was on the run he talks about the farmer with the cattle gun but never comes to the amazing coincidence that, "oh hey... that's right.... that caused the same impact as the killer i'm chasing". One would think the sherriff would have caught that one. maybe that's where he got the idea for the weapon?
- When his deputy told him no bullets were found, it was almost an annoyed response and a rhetorical question.... how could that POSSIBLY have happened?!
- and finally in the end of the movie he talks about the guy always being up ahead of himi in his dream... in the future.... in the darkness, lighting the fire. Kind of like no matter where he goes in life, that psychopathic side of him will always be there.
- wait, one more "and finally"... did you notice when Moss' wife comes home after the funeral and see's Chigurh for the very first time, she's not even shocked..... almost like she already knew him and perhaps suspected some evil intentions.
...but he didn't kill Moss as he had planned. Instead, he got to the scene too late and just in time to see the mexicans kill him and drive off. A curious point to notice would be whether the locks were shot out on the door when he arrived or not. My guess is they weren't because the sherriff/ chigurh hadn't arrived yet. this would prove my point, maybe. maybe chigurh is the sherriff's younger self or something like that.
TonyWilson wrote:I think the similarities between Bell and Chigurh are that they both believe they are agents of morality. Chigurh's dialogue before he kills Carla Jean says it all really. He has an Old Testament view of what he's doing - a punishing of the wicked as it were, Carla jean wasn't wicked in any modern way or I would argue any real way at all but she was accomplice to Moss's crime and to Chigurh that's more than enough for him to have cause to kill her. Although I think it's plain that whatever rationalisation Chigurh gives for killing people, he's a straight up psychopath - what's very interesting for me is the allusion that vengeful violence is just an excuse to commit violence.
Lord Voldemoo wrote:I need more time to wrap my head around the end. In the meantime let me say that this was the performance to define a fine career by Tommy Lee Jones. He was nothing short of amazing. In his most lighthearted scenes, and in his final defeat, he owned the screen. You could not turn away from him. Beautiful performance, really.
Lord Voldemoo wrote:...in my theater, several people booed.
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:you want similarities, look at the names...
Ed Tom.
Anton.
not quite a rhyme, but awful similar.
Nordling wrote:I watched it again this weekend, and seeing how all the story threads come together is even more impressive the second time. The climax is there, the ending is satisfying. I marveled at just how brilliant the film is.
Nordling wrote:Put it this way... it's satisfying to me but it's not the strict definition of "satisfying." I love how it's not all wrapped up in a bow. At the end, for myself, there wasn't anything left to explain. I understood the message.
I still think it's hilarious how Chigurh ripped off that gas attendant by paying just a quarter for gas and sunflower seeds.
Lord Voldemoo wrote:Nordling wrote:Put it this way... it's satisfying to me but it's not the strict definition of "satisfying." I love how it's not all wrapped up in a bow. At the end, for myself, there wasn't anything left to explain. I understood the message.
I still think it's hilarious how Chigurh ripped off that gas attendant by paying just a quarter for gas and sunflower seeds.
I'm with you there. I was thinking of "satisfying" from a pure geeky desire to yell "YEAH" in the theater, heheheh.
And yes, I noticed that Chigurh never paid for the gas too, hahaha. In a weird way...thinking back on it...I kinda wished he would have actually paid when the attendant won the toss. Maybe that would have taken his bizarre "moral code" and pushed it into the realm of goofy cliche, though...and I guess he figured the man's life was reward enough. Plus it would have kind of ruined the moment..."Oh yeah, I owe you $11.50..."
Lord Voldemoo wrote:hahaha, yup! There are a few nice ultra-dark comedic moments in the film. Not quite as wacky as some Cohen Bros stuff (which I think is good) but funny all the same.
Nordling wrote:I watched it again this weekend, and seeing how all the story threads come together is even more impressive the second time. The climax is there, the ending is satisfying. I marveled at just how brilliant the film is.
Maui wrote:I've watched this a second time as well. I was able to catch more of the humour second time around ... What on earth is that thing called that Sugar was blasting everyone in the head with and knocking off doorlocks with???
DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Maui wrote:I've watched this a second time as well. I was able to catch more of the humour second time around ... What on earth is that thing called that Sugar was blasting everyone in the head with and knocking off doorlocks with???
Apparently even onna the second viewing you missed a the Sheriff's monologue about a the cattle farmer who used a the "stun" gun to shoot a the bolt right inna to a the skull of a the bovine, eh? Killing it inna'stantly, anna the bolt, she retracts back inna'to a the gun, no?
Both times, you must a have a stepped out to get a the pop-a-corn refill, no?
Nordling wrote:No, it retracted. That's why they couldn't find any bullets or pieces. It specifies more in the novel.
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