Lord Voldemoo wrote:But the part of me that is a true Cobain fan doesn't want it to happen because Kurt would've fucking hated the idea. In an era in which all grunge rockers were trying to portray the musician disgruntled with the world, disinterested in success, Cobain was the real deal. Which of course made him all the more popular. That paradox is part of what makes him so compelling, even today.
Retardo_Montalban wrote:I don't really want to see a Kurt Cobain movie. Mostly for reasons already stated. I would like to see a movie about how the Seattle scene changed the music industry and shook it up long enough to get some fresh music played on the radio. There was a brief moment in the early 90's when all them rich clueless music execs lost thier power over popular music. That's what I think about when I think Nirvana.
Retardo_Montalban wrote:I don't really want to see a Kurt Cobain movie. Mostly for reasons already stated. I would like to see a movie about how the Seattle scene changed the music industry and shook it up long enough to get some fresh music played on the radio. There was a brief moment in the early 90's when all them rich clueless music execs lost thier power over popular music. That's what I think about when I think Nirvana.
havocSchultz wrote:Retardo_Montalban wrote:I don't really want to see a Kurt Cobain movie. Mostly for reasons already stated. I would like to see a movie about how the Seattle scene changed the music industry and shook it up long enough to get some fresh music played on the radio. There was a brief moment in the early 90's when all them rich clueless music execs lost thier power over popular music. That's what I think about when I think Nirvana.
That's what I think of...
Nordling wrote:My only idea for a Nirvana bio-pic is to tell the story backwards. Begin with the suicide and then go back until the film ends when Kurt meets Krist Novoselic and hangs out with the Melvins, days full of hope and modest happiness. Sure, it rips on MEMENTO and a few others, but I think it would accentuate the tragedy of what was lost more to end it with Kurt happy and living the simple life he craved at the end.
Other than that, I have no idea how to do it. I definitely think a non-linear mode of storytelling is the way to go, though.
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:Nordling wrote:My only idea for a Nirvana bio-pic is to tell the story backwards. Begin with the suicide and then go back until the film ends when Kurt meets Krist Novoselic and hangs out with the Melvins, days full of hope and modest happiness. Sure, it rips on MEMENTO and a few others, but I think it would accentuate the tragedy of what was lost more to end it with Kurt happy and living the simple life he craved at the end.
Other than that, I have no idea how to do it. I definitely think a non-linear mode of storytelling is the way to go, though.
you know, I didn't like the ploy of Irreversible 'cuz I thought the movie would have benefited if it had been distinctly non-linear, instead of simple end to beginning. For some reason tho', I think applying that same idea to a Nirvana biopic might work, but...
what about his childhood? By all accounts, it was rather...sad.
fact is, Kurt was, brief imagined (did any of us know him? Does anyone ever really know anybody?) periods of happiness excluded, he had a melancholy about him that was either/or grafted onto him from childhood or just hardwired into his very being.
It's a shitty thing to say, and it 'prolly never applied to anyone but KC, but celebrity really did kill him, or at least the crushing burden of said celebrity. Ending the film "full of hope and modest happiness" just would ring hollow for me... unless that ending signifies the musical legacy he left behind, in other words, the legacy of those touched by his music.
'Cuz to me, "his" legacy is one of disappointment and abandonment.
Poor Francis Bean...
darkjedijaina wrote:Yeah, I hear ya there, Voldy. Ewan would be great, I'm sure.
But, I feel it's a bit much. They've already raped him (Cobain) enough, don't you think? Let it rest.
What a role model.
Fievel wrote:Kurt Cobain was a mediocre songrwriter and an average guitar player. He made enough money to have access to any help he could have possibly needed to work out his problems. But instead he chose to blow his brains out - ending his life, and robbing his daughter of a father. What a role model.
I hope Uwe Boll directs.
tapehead wrote:Kurt Cobain had one fine ear for melody and wrote some of the greatest pop songs of the late 2oth Century. I can only presume you are tone deaf... and very judgemental.
Fievel wrote:Kurt Cobain was a mediocre songrwriter and an average guitar player.
Flumm wrote:Personally, I really thought Last Days was about a perfect (and unexpected, when you consider what could/will be), an ode/exploration/interpretation of Kobain as could reasonably be imagined on film.
KC is correct, I'd say, anything approaching a traditional story-telling venture would not ring true, (or true-minor? drop-true'd? Ok maybe not..) and be ...insincere to the life of the man.
I can't quite see the traidtional verse-verse-chorus of most bio-pic film making really giving anything other than old patterns, where those patterns would simply emphasise themselves and resound hollow.
In every sense.
Even those with the best intentions, and I'm sure with this there as many of them as there are money-thirsty suits, would likely be bringing something just altogether too tried and tested. Too familiar.
That's partly why I think Van Sant succeeded, the slight skeweing of the perspective, the choices made, the originality and bareness (strange how the sparcity of Last Days would likely be more tender in it's coldness than anything more outspoken offered by the more traditional) aswell as whatever closeness, as the listener on the end of Kurt's songs, he brought with him to the material.
I'll be curious to see what happens along, of course, but I can't say I'm readily expecting it to succeed in the way Last Days did.
For me at least.
wonkabar wrote:Fievel wrote:Kurt Cobain was a mediocre songrwriter and an average guitar player.
No, I would say that he must have been a rather clever songwriter to have gotten so much out of such sub-average guitar-skills
tapehead wrote:Kurt Cobain had one fine ear for melody and wrote some of the greatest pop songs of the late 2oth Century. I can only presume you are tone deaf... and very judgemental.
Fievel wrote:
I'm moderately judgmental regarding music, but also empathetic to the fact that not everyone has the same background in music. I believe that Cobain's contemporaries in Soundgarden and Pearl Jam out-wrote him every step of the way. I would have included Alice In Chains in there, but Staley's death-by-heroin is a loss of Cool Points in my book. Be it use of major chords (eeeek!), mixed meter, or even melodic guitar solos, I believe those two outdid Nirvana. All the while, bands like Phish and Primus were writing music that the mere composition of would give Cobain an aneurysm.
Smells Like Teen Spirit was a lucky break for Nirvana that opened the doors for music as it is now. It was quite a shift. That song isn't a great song, but it is a legendary anthem - especially to those who were in high school/college and could feel the shift of music firsthand shift from electronic pop back to real rock between 1991-1993. What times those were, especially coming out of the saturated 80's sound.
But the persona Cobain allowed to be presented of himself was about as pathetic as Jim Morrison's. The "troubled artist" facade will get you a steaming hot cup of "Cry Me A Fucking River" from me. You're human. Just like the rest of us. Get help if you need it. Get help if you don't. Killing yourself? How much more egotistical can you get?
Some people like/love Nirvana, others don't. I don't (Even though I own two CDs and a cassette). I guess this rant explains my thoughts/opinions on it. I'm sure everyone has their own, and that's what makes this world kinda neat.
And incidentally, I'm really close to having perfect pitch. It's close enough that I can get away with saying I do, unless I'm in the company of a professional pianist or timpanist.
Fievel wrote:wonkabar wrote:Fievel wrote:Kurt Cobain was a mediocre songrwriter and an average guitar player.
No, I would say that he must have been a rather clever songwriter to have gotten so much out of such sub-average guitar-skills
Touche!tapehead wrote:Kurt Cobain had one fine ear for melody and wrote some of the greatest pop songs of the late 2oth Century. I can only presume you are tone deaf... and very judgemental.
I'm moderately judgmental regarding music, but also empathetic to the fact that not everyone has the same background in music. I believe that Cobain's contemporaries in Soundgarden and Pearl Jam out-wrote him every step of the way. I would have included Alice In Chains in there, but Staley's death-by-heroin is a loss of Cool Points in my book. Be it use of major chords (eeeek!), mixed meter, or even melodic guitar solos, I believe those two outdid Nirvana. All the while, bands like Phish and Primus were writing music that the mere composition of would give Cobain an aneurysm.
Smells Like Teen Spirit was a lucky break for Nirvana that opened the doors for music as it is now. It was quite a shift. That song isn't a great song, but it is a legendary anthem - especially to those who were in high school/college and could feel the shift of music firsthand shift from electronic pop back to real rock between 1991-1993. What times those were, especially coming out of the saturated 80's sound.
But the persona Cobain allowed to be presented of himself was about as pathetic as Jim Morrison's. The "troubled artist" facade will get you a steaming hot cup of "Cry Me A Fucking River" from me. You're human. Just like the rest of us. Get help if you need it. Get help if you don't. Killing yourself? How much more egotistical can you get?
Some people like/love Nirvana, others don't. I don't (Even though I own two CDs and a cassette). I guess this rant explains my thoughts/opinions on it. I'm sure everyone has their own, and that's what makes this world kinda neat.
And incidentally, I'm really close to having perfect pitch. It's close enough that I can get away with saying I do, unless I'm in the company of a professional pianist or timpanist.
tapehead wrote:Massive music snobbery aside (snobbery and good taste - two very different things. I'm guessing an amateur guitarist, not a performer), keep Fievel away from the depressives - don't get me wrong, I used to think the same way, until someone I actually knew killed themselves, and I couldn't be so glib about it anymore.
Nordling wrote:I love Nirvana, but let me tell ya... if you're hankering for that 1993-feel rock music again, do yourself a huge favor and get the new Dinosaur Jr. album, BEYOND. Fucking terrific.
Nordling wrote:Yep, and with the original players Murph and Lou Barlow (Sebadoh).
There's riffs as thick as a kickass porterhouse steak.
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:If you really listen to In Utero you can tell they only had one or two more records left in them as a group. Cobain was in the planning stages of a collaboration with Michael Stipe on a soundtrack for a film. Stipe said nothing was recorded, but I sure as hell would have loved to hear that. After Unplugged I wouldn't have been surprised if he made an album with Bowie. That would have been something. I get the feeling he would have been quite content to stay at home, paint, and record the occasional album in his living room. I wish he would have allowed himself the opportunity.
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