burlivesleftnut wrote:How would any of us have the answers to these questions when you read the same issue we did?
I thought it was excellent, btw. Really structured like a disaster/invasion movie with super heroes. Things started off big and just kept building. Hopefully this won't be anticlimactic.
Ribbons wrote:Haven't bought the first issue yet, but I checked out the preview Pacino linked to on the last page. I mentioned this in the World War Hulk thread, but I can't get over how amazing the art in these crossover miniseries look. They're like the summer blockbusters of comic books (complete with usually disappointing stories!).
Leckomaniac wrote:I must say his inker (and the colorist from Civil War) do wonders for his art. Quite a surprise.
Theta wrote:This feels a lot like an attempt to get back the fans who collectively bailed after the shitfests that were Civil War, Avengers Disassembled, and House of M. I do not buy Joe Q for a minute when he says this has been in the works for years. It feels more like, "fuck, this sweeping decision didn't work. We'd better clean house."
MasterWhedon wrote:Theta wrote:This feels a lot like an attempt to get back the fans who collectively bailed after the shitfests that were Civil War, Avengers Disassembled, and House of M. I do not buy Joe Q for a minute when he says this has been in the works for years. It feels more like, "fuck, this sweeping decision didn't work. We'd better clean house."
See, but if you go back and read Disassembled and the early arcs of New Avengers, it really is all there: SHIELD rotting from within, a mystery force taking over the Hand, strange goings-on down in the Savage Land, a breakout from the Raft by mysterious forces (because they needed someone inside), and many, many Skrull references/cameos.
Events like House of M and Civil War changed certain dynamics, but the Secret Infiltration/Invasion has been the thrust of the series so far.
MasterWhedon wrote:See, but if you go back and read Disassembled and the early arcs of New Avengers, it really is all there: SHIELD rotting from within, a mystery force taking over the Hand, strange goings-on down in the Savage Land, a breakout from the Raft by mysterious forces (because they needed someone inside), and many, many Skrull references/cameos.
Theta wrote:MasterWhedon wrote:See, but if you go back and read Disassembled and the early arcs of New Avengers, it really is all there: SHIELD rotting from within, a mystery force taking over the Hand, strange goings-on down in the Savage Land, a breakout from the Raft by mysterious forces (because they needed someone inside), and many, many Skrull references/cameos.
Maybe it ties together, but A) it only does so because of a deus ex machina (undetectable Skrulls, you know, I keep saying it and it just sounds dumber and dumber to me) which honestly doesn't support the idea all this was planned and B) I just don't feel like this was intended from the start. I certainly won't say Bendis wasn't thinking, "Dude, I so want to play with Skrulls" because he's certainly enough of a fanboy to want to do that.
But on this scale, and this much continuity reversal? Not buying it. An Avengers arc would be one thing, something like this is just too big of a pill to swallow.
Honestly, I'd rather believe that this is an attempt to fix bad ideas and unpopular decisions with a nasty continuity wrench than a cynically plotted attempt to sell more issues with "controversies" like Cap being shot and the Scarlet Witch going psycho, knowing all the while that they're just going to return it to the status quo. The former is something we see every five years or so, the latter is just so nakedly manipulative and cynical that it would make me never want to throw money at any sort of Marvel product again.
Theta wrote:Honestly, I'd rather believe that this is an attempt to fix bad ideas and unpopular decisions with a nasty continuity wrench than a cynically plotted attempt to sell more issues with "controversies" like Cap being shot and the Scarlet Witch going psycho, knowing all the while that they're just going to return it to the status quo.
ONeillSG1 wrote:Is it safe to spew out plot points without tiny text or is this thread non-spoiler friendly?
Chairman Kaga wrote:So this boils down to Spidey Clone Saga x 50.
Ribbons wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:So this boils down to Spidey Clone Saga x 50.
Or the reverse Clone Saga, depending on how you want to look at it (I forget what that was called, but where you found out that Ben Riley was not actually the real Spider-Man... a storyline I had done a good job of blocking out until just now).
I haven't read the Wolverine: Origins story but if you're talking about the whole "James Howlett" thing I wouldn't necessarily want that to be retconned. It detracts from his aura of mystique, and there are arguably times where DC or Marvel or whoever do some crazy shit with a character that needs to get course-corrected (the death of Superman, the clone saga), but I think at some point you have to dig in your heels instead of leaving the universe in a perpetual status quo, even if that seems preferable. Plus it's sort of like Episode I -- half of geekdom wanted to know Wolverine's past, until they actuallly told it.
Ribbons wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:So this boils down to Spidey Clone Saga x 50.
Or the reverse Clone Saga, depending on how you want to look at it (I forget what that was called, but where you found out that Ben Riley was not actually the real Spider-Man... a storyline I had done a good job of blocking out until just now).
burlivesleftnut wrote:new av? meh
second issue should hit the first week in May.
Vegeta wrote:Pretty good stuff in issue #2... so, what's the deal with the Skrulls invading New York in hero costume?
Fried Gold wrote:The Marvel Super Retcon Theory
Tony Stark has been a Skrull sleeper agent all along. The real Captain America was never shot, but the Skrull clone Captain America was. However the real Captain America also turns out to be a Skrull super soldier. As Marvel continues to layer retcon upon retcon, before long it is retcon-proved that Marvel comics never ever actually existed. Stan Lee is a Skrull overlord, and the only comic book characters who are actually who they say they are the Charlton Comics characters. Fans look forward to a bright future of nothing but Blue Beetle vs Super Skrull storylines. Dan Garrett, that is, as Ted Kord is obviously retconned to be a Skrull. Also, it is retconned that Ted Kord is also Rom the Spaceknight...who has Skrull wiring.
burlivesleftnut wrote:Fried Gold wrote:The Marvel Super Retcon Theory
Tony Stark has been a Skrull sleeper agent all along. The real Captain America was never shot, but the Skrull clone Captain America was. However the real Captain America also turns out to be a Skrull super soldier. As Marvel continues to layer retcon upon retcon, before long it is retcon-proved that Marvel comics never ever actually existed. Stan Lee is a Skrull overlord, and the only comic book characters who are actually who they say they are the Charlton Comics characters. Fans look forward to a bright future of nothing but Blue Beetle vs Super Skrull storylines. Dan Garrett, that is, as Ted Kord is obviously retconned to be a Skrull. Also, it is retconned that Ted Kord is also Rom the Spaceknight...who has Skrull wiring.
LOL. Whoever wrote that should have know that ROM is not a robot, but a cyborg. Therefore it could be a Skrull inside the armor.
FAIL.
burlivesleftnut wrote:Fun Secret Invasion reads:
Mighty Avengers: Someone's revealed to be a Skrull agent.
New Avengers: Someone's revealed to be a Skrull spy.
Ms. Marvel: Someone pretends not to be a Skrull, but probably is.
Runaways/Young Avengers: Someone young is probably a Skrull.
burlivesleftnut wrote:Thor has been back for a spell, and that was New Cap (Bucky Barnes).
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