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Postby Fried Gold on Sat Feb 16, 2008 10:09 am

I swear that Hasbro toy has been redesigned slightly from the film.

The thing in the film had little piddly back legs and a farkin whacking tail on it. It's probably got something to do with making it a practical toy design.
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Postby Zarles on Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:55 pm

Bayou wrote:For those of you that can't use the link to the Hasbro site.

I give you "The Cloverfield MONSTER"!!!

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ROWR, eh?
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Postby Vegeta on Sat Feb 16, 2008 1:02 pm

Well that makes since why it's limbs were so weird looking. It's like quad jointed.

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Postby Chairman Kaga on Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:12 pm

Fried Gold wrote:I swear that Hasbro toy has been redesigned slightly from the film.

The thing in the film had little piddly back legs and a farkin whacking tail on it. It's probably got something to do with making it a practical toy design.

It had those vestigial legs on it's torso and a longer tail.
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Postby RogueScribner on Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:55 am

So I caught this flick recently. After a lot of the comments in here, I wasn't sure I was about to have a good time, but you know what? I did. The movie is far from perfect, but taken as the popcorn movie it is, it was pretty good. The handheld video device got annoying at time, especially when things would shake violently or go out of focus or be looking at someone's feet for an eternity, but overall it was a nice effect that added a bit to the experience.

As I watched the movie, after the first street scene, all I could think about was how everything played out like levels in a video game. In fact, if they turn this into a video game, that'd probably be pretty cool! Just ditch the video camera stuff. :)

My only real complaint with the movie, outside of the image distortions, was Hud. I really didn't like him. I found him to be really annoying. He's like that Chris Farley character who asks celebrities annoying questions, except he's asking his best friend those annoying questions which makes it even more annoying! No tears were shed when he was chomped.

I'm not sure if this is a movie I'll bother watching again (it was pure unadulterated fluff), but I had a good time watching it. That being said, I don't think I want a sequel, or at least one that is in the same style as this movie. Maybe do another POV or something, but the found footage schtick is played.

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Postby papalazeru on Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:41 am

Maybe the sequel should be from the POV of the monster.

Perhaps, a poor lost and lonely monster who's misunderstood - he just wants friends. He thought he found someone big enough to play with (state of liberty) but that ended in tears, then when people started attacking him he started to cry and went off in a huff.
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:23 am

papalazeru wrote:Maybe the sequel should be from the POV of the monster.


Iffa that's a your thing, the Dino, he has a the game a for you, eh?

I gotta to agree with a the Robo, eh? I just a donna buy that a that skinny thing, she could a cause alla the destruction she did inna the film, eh? Or a that she was as immune to a the effects of a the military as a she was, eh?

Holy crappa... it's a like a the giant toothpick creature or a something.
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Postby papalazeru on Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:34 am

Haha! Long time since I played that.

Got it free with a graphics card. People raved about.

I found it boring and easy.

That's exactly why it should be Cloverfield Part2.

I'll make the movie using Fraps.

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Postby bastard_robo on Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:44 am

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
papalazeru wrote: Maybe the sequel should be from the POV of the monster.


Iffa that's a your thing, the Dino, he has a the game a for you, eh?

I gotta to agree with a the Robo, eh? I just a donna buy that a that skinny thing, she could a cause alla the destruction she did inna the film, eh? Or a that she was as immune to a the effects of a the military as a she was, eh?

Holy crappa... it's a like a the giant toothpick creature or a something.


Is this the first thing we've ever agreed on?

But the Dino is right! Give me more of your Kong over this thing... He at least beat up a giant snake...
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Postby papalazeru on Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:56 am

Maybe it was Pete Doherty's and Kate Moss's aborted crack love child?
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Postby Leckomaniac on Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:05 am

Why is it tough to believe? The thing is a freakin' alien. Who knows how his muscles/bones work. Who knows what effect our gravity will have on them.

I mean, honestly folks, this type of discussion is just silly. Beyond silly, actually.
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Postby bastard_robo on Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:14 am

Leckomaniac wrote:Why is it tough to believe? The thing is a freakin' alien. Who knows how his muscles/bones work. Who knows what effect our gravity will have on them.

I mean, honestly folks, this type of discussion is just silly. Beyond silly, actually.


Maybe because Abrams and co already said that it was a deep sea monster....
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Postby Leckomaniac on Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:17 am

bastard_robo wrote:
Leckomaniac wrote:Why is it tough to believe? The thing is a freakin' alien. Who knows how his muscles/bones work. Who knows what effect our gravity will have on them.

I mean, honestly folks, this type of discussion is just silly. Beyond silly, actually.


Maybe because Abrams and co already said that it was a deep sea monster....


Doesn't make it any less silly, really.

But please, lets continue beating the dead horse.

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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:26 am

Leckomaniac wrote:My head get slammed against my desk WAY less.


i would've thought you had to of slammed your head on said desk pretty hard before you saw the film, to enjoy it the way you did!

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Postby papalazeru on Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:42 am

It is a bit silly though.

If it was a Deep Sea monster how would it be breathing on land?

What about the the pressure on the creatures body?

At least Godzilla was a land creature who only resided in the water.

So, c'mon, is it really that silly? Reeeeeally?
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Postby silentbobafett on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:00 am

Keepcoolbutcare wrote:
silentbobafett wrote:Halfway through the end credits the score finally started - and that was good as well! Sadly it'll never be released cos it's only one track! Booo!


yeah, Giacchino really outdid himself with that...did you catch the title of the track?

ROAR! (Cloverfield Theme)

but no worries, those interested can dl it here...


OKAY, OKAY.... so I finallly managed to download this.... but explain something - I thought this was a leaked recording..... sound qaulity IS good... BUT, why is there some dude(S) in the back ground? And it gets quite annoying, as the track kicks off, they laugh and shit! Really annoying! Or.... why is this? WHere's this from?

I hope they release a version minus teenage kid on it!
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:06 am

wasn't a leak, it was obtained at a showing - hence the chuckles, poor quality, and background noise.

it was the only version that was on the internets when I went a searching, could very well be a legit rip up now.
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Postby Simon Quinlank on Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:22 am

ROAR! (Cloverfield Overture)

...and I can't find a proper version either.
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Postby zillabeast on Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:01 pm

Anyone have any luck tracking down ROAR yet?
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Postby bastard_robo on Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:37 pm

zillabeast wrote:Anyone have any luck tracking down ROAR yet?


You know, that was a nice little score, but if you want to hear the real deal, go find some of the old Godzilla Soundtracks and pump some classic Ikafube. The man was the John Williams of Japan!
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Postby zillabeast on Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:23 pm

bastard_robo wrote:
zillabeast wrote:Anyone have any luck tracking down ROAR yet?


You know, that was a nice little score, but if you want to hear the real deal, go find some of the old Godzilla Soundtracks and pump some classic Ikafube. The man was the John Williams of Japan!




Don't have to tell me twice, man. My library is chalk full of Ifukube and all the other composers who worked on the series. Every score he composed...whether it was Godzilla or Atragon or The Mysterians or whatnot...all of them are among man's most precious creations.

Another fav of mine is Michiru Ohshima, who did an incredible job on G x Megagurias, GxMG and Tokyo S.O.S. She needs to be given some work stateside.
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Postby bastard_robo on Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:45 pm

zillabeast wrote:
bastard_robo wrote:
zillabeast wrote:Anyone have any luck tracking down ROAR yet?


You know, that was a nice little score, but if you want to hear the real deal, go find some of the old Godzilla Soundtracks and pump some classic Ikafube. The man was the John Williams of Japan!




Don't have to tell me twice, man. My library is chalk full of Ifukube and all the other composers who worked on the series. Every score he composed...whether it was Godzilla or Atragon or The Mysterians or whatnot...all of them are among man's most precious creations.

Another fav of mine is Michiru Ohshima, who did an incredible job on G x Megagurias, GxMG and Tokyo S.O.S. She needs to be given some work stateside.


True dat!

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Postby papalazeru on Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:37 pm

Just seen the two alt endings.

Still think this film is a pile of shit. Hated everyone involved and didn't care about anything except seeing that big bastard wreak havoc.

Oh, and another thing. The battery life of that Fucking camera is incredible. What was it? An Anton Bauer special for home made cams?
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Postby doglips on Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:40 pm

papalazeru wrote:Oh, and another thing. The battery life of that Fucking camera is incredible.


Heh, good point! :roll: :wink:
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Postby Leckomaniac on Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:48 pm

doglips wrote:
papalazeru wrote:Oh, and another thing. The battery life of that Fucking camera is incredible.


Heh, good point! :roll: :wink:


Sigh. And it begins anew.

This reminds me of the SR thread, where every once in a while a new post will be made highlighting the exact same criticisms as before and thus the debate starts all over again.
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Postby Fried Gold on Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:11 pm

They aren't really alternative endings, more just alternative takes that weren't used. Although the second one does seem to suggest that Rob survived the the blast, but that might just be a mistake.
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Postby dimnix on Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:43 pm

I'm confused...

why all the talk of the battery life?

It's not like the tape is later edited, it's instead exactly as it was found. The camera was only on and taping for the running time of the film. It's turned off for the vast majority of their night, and only films for approx. 90 minutes, which aint exactly a huge amount of time and surely something a modern battery could handle.

And, cloverfield rules.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:44 pm

dimnix wrote:I'm confused...

why all the talk of the battery life?

It's not like the tape is later edited, it's instead exactly as it was found. The camera was only on and taping for the running time of the film. It's turned off for the vast majority of their night, and only films for approx. 90 minutes, which aint exactly a huge amount of time and surely something a modern battery could handle.

And, cloverfield rules.


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Postby Fried Gold on Sun Apr 06, 2008 8:49 pm

The battery life thing makes sense. I was wondering more about what tape an SD card uses.
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Postby papalazeru on Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:01 pm

Could you record fast enough to SD and at that quality?

Hmmm...Not sure on that one.
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Postby bastard_robo on Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:11 pm

Didnt really matter what ending they used.. the movie was still a major dissapointment.


If you really want to watch a kick ass Giant Monster film with charecters you care about,

Watch the 90's GAMERA TRILOGY!

Gamera 3 is probably hands down the greatest Daikaiju film ever!
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Postby papalazeru on Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:57 pm

bastard_robo wrote:Didnt really matter what ending they used.. the movie was still a major dissapointment.


If you really want to watch a kick ass Giant Monster film with charecters you care about,

Watch the 90's GAMERA TRILOGY!

Gamera 3 is probably hands down the greatest Daikaiju film ever!


Gamera rules.

But then King Ghidora would kick his ass.

:lol:

That's a different thread.
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Postby tapehead on Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:09 pm

Fried Gold wrote:The battery life thing makes sense. I was wondering more about what tape an SD card uses.


This is the more significant use of artistic licence when it comes to the camera tech in the movie, the battery life is actually pretty plausible.
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Postby bastard_robo on Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:23 pm

papalazeru wrote:
bastard_robo wrote:Didn t really matter what ending they used.. the movie was still a major dissapointment.


If you really want to watch a kick ass Giant Monster film with charecters you care about,

Watch the 90's GAMERA TRILOGY!

Gamera 3 is probably hands down the greatest Daikaiju film ever!


Gamera rules.

But then King Ghidora would kick his ass.

:lol:

That's a different thread.


YES!

this one

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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:35 am

Those were two of the most pointless "alternative endings" I've ever seen. o_0
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Postby RogueScribner on Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:01 am

It's like the alternate ending of Star Wars where Chewie growls one extra time! He's probably bitching about not getting a medal. ;)
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Postby Ribbons on Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:08 am

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:To compare a the Godzilla's "raison a d'être" with a the Cloverfield, it's a like a comparing uppa the apples with a the oranges, no?

With a the Godzilla, you gotta him growing uppa outta the Japan's reaction to a the dropping of a the atomic bomb, no? Inna other words, there was a nothing they could a do about a the creation anna the dropping of a the bomb anna the subsequent leveling of a the cities, eh? The Japanese, they were as a powerless a to prevent it as iffa the Zeus himself, he opened uppa alla his rage anna fury onna the Hiroshima anna Nagasaki, eh? Dropping godly might from a the skies, no?

Anna so's a the Japanese, they hadda to anna'thropomorphize it inna order to come a to terms with it, no? As in, "we could a not a stop a the bombs, but a the Godzilla, he is a the physical thing, no? Iffa we can a throw alla we have at a him, anna kill him, or a divert him, etc., then a we gotta the chance a to save a the city. It's alla uppa to us to win or a lose, no?"

Anna the original picture, of a course, she was a used a to draw a the parallels to a the bomb itself, inna the creation of a the oxygen-destroying machine, no? With a the scientist who inna'vented it sacrificing himself inna the end so as a to destroy alla hope of a the machine ever being inna'vented again anna used for a the evil, eh?

With a the Cloverfield, they are a trying to personify a the monster when a we alla'ready got a the personification of a the 9/11 inna the face of a the Osama Bin Laden, no? Anna rather than a level the city, they bring down a few of a the buildings... anna so's a the Cloverfield, she is a not a so much a the symbolism of a the event anna the parable for a the dangers of a the technology (like a the Godzilla) she is a more of a the "alternate reality" of a the events of a the 9/11, no?

Of a course, the military's ability to kill a the monster, she was a perhaps as effective as a they have a been inna the hunt for a the Bin Laden, but that is a the 'nother matter enna'tirely, no?


I'd even be so bold (I dare! Yes indeed!) to say that Cloverfield is almost like the inverse of Godzilla based on your analysis. We technically know the whos, whats, and whys (sort of) of 9/11, and we have a face that we can attach to the event, but Cloverfield, especially in those last few moments before the final main characters get snuffed out, seemed like it was about people whose comfortable lives were thrust into a perpetual state of chaos, danger and fear by forces much bigger than them that they didn't understand, that didn't understand them, and that they couldn't control. Some of this may have to do with the conditions leading up to the attacks. Although I don't know whether Hiroshima and Nagasaki expected to be destroyed, it was a typical component of an atypical chain of events that resulted from a state of war. Perhaps this is why Godzilla (the movie, not the creature) developed a sense of morality where the monster's reign of terror was based on a certain attitude (i.e., the abuse of technology) that indirectly spawned it. On the other hand, for most of the people living in New York, the WTC attacks came completely out of the blue, and most people were comfortable, or at least MORE comfortable, with their existence literally the day before. Cloverfield is like an elegy to that existence (it even ends on a flashback). Personifying the attacker would only taint that nostalgia in some way, by being processed through the attacker if nothing else, and so the monster is a mysterious (literally alien), terrible force completely unrelated to the victims.
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Postby so sorry on Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:39 am

So where are you guys finding these "alternate" endings?

Are they online? IS the DVD release out?
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Postby Leckomaniac on Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:44 am

so sorry wrote:So where are you guys finding these "alternate" endings?

Are they online? IS the DVD release out?


Main page has them up. They are from YouTube. The DVD comes out April 22nd.
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Postby RogueScribner on Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:02 am

Not so much alternate endings as 5 - 10 seconds of difference right at the end. An alternate ending would be the monster taping himself in the shower. *rowr*
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Postby Worst Part's Almost Over on Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:17 am

My original review of Cloverfield was fairly short and sweet. I'm not about to do a long one now, but I have recently viewed it a second time so felt moved to comment on how it played on repeat viewing.

It wasn't frightening and that's because the creature is revealed. If the creature had never been given more than 2 seconds on screen each time it crops up, then it would have been utterly horrifying and scary because you've no idea what the fucked up hideous blur was that just went by on the screen.

I've always found less is more when it comes to horror.
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Postby AtomicHyperbole on Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:10 am

I always find less is more unless you want to shock the crap out of someone. But then you've gotta give a pretty big shock for it to work. For example, the bottle scene in Pans...

However I found Cloverfield to be, if anything, pretty tense. Not assclutchingly insane as I'd hoped it would be, but the pace took care of any issues I had by covering them up with something a few seconds later. And Lizzy Caplan.
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Postby instant_karma on Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:14 am

Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:My original review of Cloverfield was fairly short and sweet. I'm not about to do a long one now, but I have recently viewed it a second time so felt moved to comment on how it played on repeat viewing.

It wasn't frightening and that's because the creature is revealed. If the creature had never been given more than 2 seconds on screen each time it crops up, then it would have been utterly horrifying and scary because you've no idea what the fucked up hideous blur was that just went by on the screen.

I've always found less is more when it comes to horror.


I think what you said here could partly explain why many people (including myself) felt let down with Cloverfield. Leaving aside the various arguments regarding the actual format that the story was presented through, and various subtext interpretations, I think the biggest failing of the movie was that it was trying to combine two genres that have pretty different dynamics and expectations.

Your comment shows that you were viewing this as a horror movie and I agree that were this the case, that showing less of the creature would have been much more effective, letting the individuals imagination create their own worst nightmare. The sequence in the subway tunnel is a definate horror movie beat, and the main characters bewilderment at why these horrible things are happening to them is also a horror movie staple.

However, Cloverfield was also trying to be a monster movie, in which more is always more. Personally, I went to see Cloverfield with a monster movie expectation, so I was let down by how little we got to see of the big guy and will totally stand by the folks that say that Hud filming hs friends crouching behind a car when the big freaking monster is just to his left was very stupid.

For me, horror works best when it seems intimate and personal. And I dont mean personal in that we get to know the characters well, because I though Cloverfield did a not bad job at that. I mean personal in that the audience or the protagonists themselves feel that the characters have in some way been singled out for the bad things happening to them. And also personal in that the bad things are happening to a reletively small bunch of people. Six people trapped in a house thinking they're gonna die can be horrific, but six billion people trapped on a planet thinking they're gonna die, not so much.

I never got much of a horror vibe from Cloverfield because despite the intimacy that comes from the various straight to camera moments, you knew that throughout the city at that same time, there are probably hundreds or thousands of similar tragedies unfolding (which is why I've hard arguments with friends about most zombie movies being in their own genre rather than straight our horror, but I don't want to get into that here).

I'm not saying that the two genres cannot work well together. I think Jaws and Alien are good examples of the genres working together, althogh I would argue that rather than trying to combine the two genres thoughout the entire movie in the way tha Cloverfield attempted, they both play as horror movies for the majority of the time and only really switch to the moster movie dynamics for the third act.

Anyway, I'm gonna STFU now before I succumb to my temptation of bait Lecko SR complaints. :twisted:
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Postby Worst Part's Almost Over on Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:38 am

instant_karma wrote:
Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:My original review of Cloverfield was fairly short and sweet. I'm not about to do a long one now, but I have recently viewed it a second time so felt moved to comment on how it played on repeat viewing.

It wasn't frightening and that's because the creature is revealed. If the creature had never been given more than 2 seconds on screen each time it crops up, then it would have been utterly horrifying and scary because you've no idea what the fucked up hideous blur was that just went by on the screen.

I've always found less is more when it comes to horror.


I think what you said here could partly explain why many people (including myself) felt let down with Cloverfield. Leaving aside the various arguments regarding the actual format that the story was presented through, and various subtext interpretations, I think the biggest failing of the movie was that it was trying to combine two genres that have pretty different dynamics and expectations.

Your comment shows that you were viewing this as a horror movie and I agree that were this the case, that showing less of the creature would have been much more effective, letting the individuals imagination create their own worst nightmare. The sequence in the subway tunnel is a definate horror movie beat, and the main characters bewilderment at why these horrible things are happening to them is also a horror movie staple.

However, Cloverfield was also trying to be a monster movie, in which more is always more. Personally, I went to see Cloverfield with a monster movie expectation, so I was let down by how little we got to see of the big guy and will totally stand by the folks that say that Hud filming hs friends crouching behind a car when the big freaking monster is just to his left was very stupid.

For me, horror works best when it seems intimate and personal. And I dont mean personal in that we get to know the characters well, because I though Cloverfield did a not bad job at that. I mean personal in that the audience or the protagonists themselves feel that the characters have in some way been singled out for the bad things happening to them. And also personal in that the bad things are happening to a reletively small bunch of people. Six people trapped in a house thinking they're gonna die can be horrific, but six billion people trapped on a planet thinking they're gonna die, not so much.

I never got much of a horror vibe from Cloverfield because despite the intimacy that comes from the various straight to camera moments, you knew that throughout the city at that same time, there are probably hundreds or thousands of similar tragedies unfolding (which is why I've hard arguments with friends about most zombie movies being in their own genre rather than straight our horror, but I don't want to get into that here).

I'm not saying that the two genres cannot work well together. I think Jaws and Alien are good examples of the genres working together, althogh I would argue that rather than trying to combine the two genres thoughout the entire movie in the way tha Cloverfield attempted, they both play as horror movies for the majority of the time and only really switch to the moster movie dynamics for the third act.

Anyway, I'm gonna STFU now before I succumb to my temptation of bait Lecko SR complaints. :twisted:


Thank you mate - I thoroughly enjoyed reading that :D

And I think I did go into the movie viewing it in the Alien vibe, yes.
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Postby Ribbons on Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:52 pm

Just read a review/essay of Cloverfield and the whole phenomenon leading up to its release on DVD Savant that I thought was pretty even-handed. I think out of all the reviews I've read, it comes the closest to matching my own feelings towards the film. Anyway, here are a couple of choice quotes:

Audience reaction to Cloverfield was immediate and positive. The crowds definitely felt 'in the picture', experiencing the movie's monster thrills right along with the characters in the movie. Reams of arguments have been generated about the film's style, pro and con. It's been over-praised by some and called a gimmick by others, but the fact that the style connects with its intended audience negates most orthodox protests. Like it or not, the clever 'gimmick' has been elaborated to the point of transcending its own gimmickry.


After an initial section where 'Hud' makes mistakes and takes a lot of trash video of the floor, etc., the first-person handheld style becomes more calculated. Hud captures relevant details and dramatic moments with a virtuosity that would be the envy of Frederick Wiseman: Cinema Perfect-Coincidence-Vérité. 'Random' camera-pointing just happens upon perfect two-shots. It also expresses relationships within a scene, as when Rob and Beth are showcased on either side of the party. Not only is Hud a darn good movie director, he has somehow telepathically intuited the connection between Rob and Beth before it becomes common knowledge. The only moment I found really laughable is when the camera watches two people struggling and straining to crawl off the roof of a tilted and crumbling skyscraper, into the relative safety of a building still standing straight. After those two people barely save themselves, the cameraman covers the same ground in three or four easy hops, like a mountain goat -- and gets a good video record of it at the same time.


It's a fine monster show by smart filmmakers, an old-fashioned genre piece hyped with a gimmick that's both fun and rewarding, within limits. As in Roger Corman's Attack of the Crab Monsters, each scene introduces a new thrill, and these days that's saying a lot. Also like an old Corman film, Cloverfield hasn't an ounce of studly. The entire picture is 84 minutes long. Subtract the end credits, and it's only 74 minutes long. That gave theater owners half again as many showings per day!


Director Matt Reeves' motor-mouth commentary is almost as relentless as the film's frantic editing style, yet he's both clear and informative. He talks about the picture from all angles. Using relatively cheap videotape, Reeves was able to film rehearsals and rerun every scene to his heart's delight in record time. That doesn't necessarily reflect badly on his directing ability -- choosing the 'good stuff' is still the hardest task. The entire project overflows with youth, energy and technical know-how cleverly put to use.
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Postby Leckomaniac on Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:58 pm

instant_karma wrote:Anyway, I'm gonna STFU now before I succumb to my temptation of bait Lecko SR complaints. :twisted:


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Postby RogueScribner on Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:12 pm

If the proposed sequel is just a carbon copy of the original, it's going to tank. A large portion of the money the first one made was due to hype. The complete lack of any substantial amount of repeat business demonstrates that the audience, by and large, didn't love this movie enough to see it again. Word of mouth also wasn't overly positive as the box office would have stablized at some point rather than dropping like a ton of bricks from week to week. The gimmick has been played and people won't be caught by it again.
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Postby bastard_robo on Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:18 pm

instant_karma wrote:
Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:My original review of Cloverfield was fairly short and sweet. I'm not about to do a long one now, but I have recently viewed it a second time so felt moved to comment on how it played on repeat viewing.

It wasn't frightening and that's because the creature is revealed. If the creature had never been given more than 2 seconds on screen each time it crops up, then it would have been utterly horrifying and scary because you've no idea what the fucked up hideous blur was that just went by on the screen.

I've always found less is more when it comes to horror.


I think what you said here could partly explain why many people (including myself) felt let down with Cloverfield. Leaving aside the various arguments regarding the actual format that the story was presented through, and various subtext interpretations, I think the biggest failing of the movie was that it was trying to combine two genres that have pretty different dynamics and expectations.

Your comment shows that you were viewing this as a horror movie and I agree that were this the case, that showing less of the creature would have been much more effective, letting the individuals imagination create their own worst nightmare. The sequence in the subway tunnel is a definate horror movie beat, and the main characters bewilderment at why these horrible things are happening to them is also a horror movie staple.

However, Cloverfield was also trying to be a monster movie, in which more is always more. Personally, I went to see Cloverfield with a monster movie expectation, so I was let down by how little we got to see of the big guy and will totally stand by the folks that say that Hud filming hs friends crouching behind a car when the big freaking monster is just to his left was very stupid.

For me, horror works best when it seems intimate and personal. And I dont mean personal in that we get to know the characters well, because I though Cloverfield did a not bad job at that. I mean personal in that the audience or the protagonists themselves feel that the characters have in some way been singled out for the bad things happening to them. And also personal in that the bad things are happening to a reletively small bunch of people. Six people trapped in a house thinking they're gonna die can be horrific, but six billion people trapped on a planet thinking they're gonna die, not so much.

I never got much of a horror vibe from Cloverfield because despite the intimacy that comes from the various straight to camera moments, you knew that throughout the city at that same time, there are probably hundreds or thousands of similar tragedies unfolding (which is why I've hard arguments with friends about most zombie movies being in their own genre rather than straight our horror, but I don't want to get into that here).

I'm not saying that the two genres cannot work well together. I think Jaws and Alien are good examples of the genres working together, althogh I would argue that rather than trying to combine the two genres thoughout the entire movie in the way tha Cloverfield attempted, they both play as horror movies for the majority of the time and only really switch to the moster movie dynamics for the third act.

Anyway, I'm gonna STFU now before I succumb to my temptation of bait Lecko SR complaints. :twisted:


Agree with everything you said.

This is why American filmmakers will NEVER! EVER! properly get GIANT MONSTER movies right. EVER!

The fact that they tried to bend two genres together really hurt this movie.

While many people POO POO Japanese Giant monster films because they lack the RAZZLE DAZZLE spfx of american movies (like Jurassic Park) They still have a sense to them that they know what they are and hence why those who enjoy them know why they work.

Going into a giant monster film with a vibe that this is going to be ALIEN, it was destined to fail! Alien is was a suspense film that happend to have a monster in it. And thats clearly its the vibe that Abrams, Reeves and co were going for. While I give them Kudos for attempting to make a Giant monster film more, intimate, it just didnt work.

The problem is that with a Giant mosnter film, as Karma said, More is MORE. It cant be Alien, as even though NEW YORK is a big city, and there are plenty of buildings to hide around, you still have a 20 story behemoth running around and each foot step would sound like goddamn explosion coming down the street, thus taking away any element of suprise!

Cloverfield should of been more like a good survival horror game. The people trying to get to safty, but every time they think they're safe, big giant monster blocks their way, or debire from its rampage foils their plans. Not some guy trying to save some bitchy chick that he had a one night stand with. Not only that, but in a Giant monster film, the MONSTER is just as much a charecter as the human cast is.

As I've said earlier, if any of you would like to see a GOOD giant monster film with developed charecter that arent just Military guys running around after the monster, watch the 90's GAMERA films. They are probably the best Kaiju films ever made! And for under $5 mil american apiece, they're really f'n good.
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Postby JpPrewitt789 on Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:33 pm

Fried Gold wrote:I swear that Hasbro toy has been redesigned slightly from the film.


I'd bet money on that too.
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