verdouxbrothels wrote:So here's the deal. I'd like to join the blu-ray frenzy in time for the release of Bottle Rocket in November, but I also need a suitable upconverting machine for my SD collection. I've read all the CNET reviews, all that stuff, and the two most viable options seem to me:
- buy a PS3, since it both upconverts and plays blu ray. I think it also plays some sort of video game? Anyway, the drawback here is that I've heard the upconverting is only "good enough" on the PS3.
- buy an oppo upconverter now and wait until bluray player prices drop enough to the point where the cost of the oppo and the br player together would not exceed that of the PS3.
Has ANYBODY -- and this is a long shot I know -- but has ANYBODY recently A/B'd PS3 upconversion against an oppo? That's what's killing me, that I can't actually see the difference in front of me before buying.
Thanks!
stereosforgeeks wrote:verdouxbrothels wrote:So here's the deal. I'd like to join the blu-ray frenzy in time for the release of Bottle Rocket in November, but I also need a suitable upconverting machine for my SD collection. I've read all the CNET reviews, all that stuff, and the two most viable options seem to me:
- buy a PS3, since it both upconverts and plays blu ray. I think it also plays some sort of video game? Anyway, the drawback here is that I've heard the upconverting is only "good enough" on the PS3.
- buy an oppo upconverter now and wait until bluray player prices drop enough to the point where the cost of the oppo and the br player together would not exceed that of the PS3.
Has ANYBODY -- and this is a long shot I know -- but has ANYBODY recently A/B'd PS3 upconversion against an oppo? That's what's killing me, that I can't actually see the difference in front of me before buying.
Thanks!
All Bluray players will upconvert.
verdouxbrothels wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:verdouxbrothels wrote:So here's the deal. I'd like to join the blu-ray frenzy in time for the release of Bottle Rocket in November, but I also need a suitable upconverting machine for my SD collection. I've read all the CNET reviews, all that stuff, and the two most viable options seem to me:
- buy a PS3, since it both upconverts and plays blu ray. I think it also plays some sort of video game? Anyway, the drawback here is that I've heard the upconverting is only "good enough" on the PS3.
- buy an oppo upconverter now and wait until bluray player prices drop enough to the point where the cost of the oppo and the br player together would not exceed that of the PS3.
Has ANYBODY -- and this is a long shot I know -- but has ANYBODY recently A/B'd PS3 upconversion against an oppo? That's what's killing me, that I can't actually see the difference in front of me before buying.
Thanks!
All Bluray players will upconvert.
Yes, but not well. I own a panasonic right now that upconverts me into jag city. I think most would agree that there's a range of quality with upconverters.
Chairman Kaga wrote:verdouxbrothels wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:verdouxbrothels wrote:So here's the deal. I'd like to join the blu-ray frenzy in time for the release of Bottle Rocket in November, but I also need a suitable upconverting machine for my SD collection. I've read all the CNET reviews, all that stuff, and the two most viable options seem to me:
- buy a PS3, since it both upconverts and plays blu ray. I think it also plays some sort of video game? Anyway, the drawback here is that I've heard the upconverting is only "good enough" on the PS3.
- buy an oppo upconverter now and wait until bluray player prices drop enough to the point where the cost of the oppo and the br player together would not exceed that of the PS3.
Has ANYBODY -- and this is a long shot I know -- but has ANYBODY recently A/B'd PS3 upconversion against an oppo? That's what's killing me, that I can't actually see the difference in front of me before buying.
Thanks!
All Bluray players will upconvert.
Yes, but not well. I own a panasonic right now that upconverts me into jag city. I think most would agree that there's a range of quality with upconverters.
So you have a Panasonic Blu-Ray player? or Do you mean you have a Panasonic upconverting player.
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:If you look around people are clearancing Sony's BDP-S300 Blu-ray player for less than $300. Amazon will sell you one from Target for $194.98. Amazon will sell you the S350 - the model replacing the 300 - for $262.22, and that one has ethernet and USB.
I think I need someone to talk me down.
stereosforgeeks wrote:One must not forget the economic issues that have been occurring.
Im upto about 20 BRs at this point and am anxiously awaiting the Criterions next month.
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Got $20,000 lying around and you don't know what to do with it? Why not buy a TV? Free shipping on orders over $100!
Seppuku wrote:Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Got $20,000 lying around and you don't know what to do with it? Why not buy a TV? Free shipping on orders over $100!
This is why the Middle East hates us...
Droncz92 wrote:Now Im pretty sure Im going to have to buy a blue ray this xmas for my pops, are there any decent, cheap, players out there?
And also, would our normal dvds work on it or not?
The Digital Bits wrote:As you may know, there have been a couple of recent reports online that the Blu-ray format is D.O.A. or otherwise doomed to failure. The most recent such proclamation is an alarmist piece by ZDNet's Robin Harris, that has resulted in a small flood of e-mails from readers today, some concerned, many skeptical and all curious as to our reaction.
Look, folks... let's have a little perspective here. People have been predicting the death of Blu-ray Disc for more than two years now. And many of those doing so were either staunch HD-DVD supporters previously or simply NEVER saw much of a future for Blu-ray or high-definition discs. Harris, it seems to me, falls into the latter category. He's a fine guy, I'm sure, but from what I've read of his work, he's never really been much of a videophile. He's a storage guy. Hard drives. It says so right there in his bio: "Robin Harris has been selling and marketing data storage for over 20 years in companies large and small." There's nothing wrong with that, and more power to him. But I don't expect him to be any kind of advocate for a home video format, other than one based around a downloading model. And he's hardly the person to best judge the future of what is, at its very essence, a HOME VIDEO FORMAT.
That's not to say that Harris doesn't make some valid points. The BDA's licensing fees are too high, and there are still too many barriers (not the least of which is cost) to smaller content producers adopting the format. I'll give you a few more obstacles the format faces: Blu-ray Disc player and movie prices are still too high. Studios should cut software prices across the board by $5 to $10. Profile 2.0 players should become standard and cheap, and fast. The need to continually update player firmware for title after title has been very frustrating, most recently with the James Bond Blu-rays. That's not a big deal if you have a PS3, but if you have a profile 1.0 or 1.1 player, it means either downloading and burning a firmware update disc, or calling the manufacturer's tech support line and requesting one be sent to you by mail. That's a pain in the ass, and the industry needs to figure out a way to make it easier. The economic slowdown and the lengthy format war haven't helped either. I do think the industry should take a look at Harris' recommendations for what a more "forward looking strategy" for the Blu-ray format ought to look like. I actually agree with a couple of them.
But let's get real here. Blu-ray is NOT dead. It's not close to death. It's not even remotely sick or ailing. Saying otherwise is simply a clever ploy to get a LOT of people to read your columns. Look folks, Blu-ray is still essentially a NEW format to most people. This is the format's FIRST YEAR of unopposed exposure to consumers - the first year it hasn't been embroiled in a bitter format dispute with HD-DVD. The standard DVD format didn't begin to really take off until well over a year after its Divx pay-per-view nemesis finally died. It's worth noting that my prediction has ALWAYS been that Blu-ray and DVD would co-exist for many years, and that Blu-ray would gradually increase its market share over time. If I had to guess, I think the mix a few years from now is going to be 50% DVD, 30-40% Blu-ray and some smaller percentage of downloading. Blu-ray isn't going to replace DVD, the single most successful format in the history of consumer electronics, and anyone who thinks otherwise is out to lunch. But Blu-ray's future is plenty bright, folks.
Let's look at this from another perspective. One month ago, Paramount's Iron Man became the first Blu-ray Disc release to sell 500,000 units in its first week of release. Industry sources tell me that the title has CONTINUED to sell well and is closing in on 1 million units sold. If Iron Man doesn't get there first, Warner's mega-smash hit The Dark Knight is on deck for release on Blu-ray Disc on 12/9. Does anyone think it isn't going to fly off the shelves too? Either way, by the end of the year (almost certainly by the end of January), one of these two titles - and quite possibly BOTH - could hit 1 million units sold. That milestone will have been reached just a little more than two years after the Blu-ray format was launched. Do you know how long it took DVD to have its first million selling title? Just under THREE years - The Matrix, which debuted on the format in late 1999. Seems like Blu-ray's right on track to me.
The format's got LOTS more going for it too. First, player prices are finally dipping below $250, right on track with the pace in the early days of DVD. Best Buy has its Insignia brand BD player priced at $249, and a Samsung player on sale for $229. Multiple retailers are expected to be selling Blu-ray players for LESS than $200 on Black Friday and for the holiday season. According to Video Business, Sears will be selling Sony's BDP-S350 for just $179.99 and Samsung's BD-P1500 for $199.99, both profile 2.0/BD-Live ready players. Look for other BD player deals at select retailers to follow, some as low as $149.
Second, look at all the great titles available! You know, earlier this year many of the studios were telling me that big titles were coming for the holidays, and that the floodgates were really going to open in 2009, but I STILL didn't expect the torrent of great titles we're seeing now. Consider the new releases alone... Transformers, Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, The Dark Knight, Cloverfield, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Hancock, Wall-E, Sex and the City, Tropic Thunder, The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor, Rambo, There Will Be Blood, Hellboy II: The Golden Army, Kung Fu Panda, Casino Royale and many, many others.
Now consider the AMAZING catalog titles that have been (or will soon be) released on Blu-ray... SIX vintage James Bond films, ALL of the Austin Powers films, Sleeping Beauty, Blade Runner, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, The Godfather Collection, ALL of the Terminator films, Starship Troopers, all of the Planet of the Apes films, all of the Pirates of the Caribbean films, Casablanca, How the West Was Won, L.A. Confidential, JFK, all of The Matrix films, FIVE Stanley Kubrick films including 2001, The Nightmare Before Christmas, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, the Omen films, Bonnie and Clyde, the Die Hard films, ID4, the Mission: Impossible films, Dawn of the Dead, the Dirty Harry films, Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, Superman and the Superman II: Director's Cut, the Spider-Man films and on, and on, and on.
In his piece, Harris claims there are few quirky indie films on the format. Has he not seen Transsiberian, Sukiyaki Western Django, Mongol, Kiss of the Spider Woman, Persepolis, Shinobi or any of the MANY such titles now available or coming soon? What about the documentary titles? Baraka, Planet Earth? The TV titles? Heroes, Lost, Sarah Connor Chronicles, Torchwood, Pushing Daisies, Band of Brothers?
You think all of those titles are impressive? Look at the tip of the iceberg of what's coming next year: The Star Trek films, Braveheart, Pinocchio, The Lord of the Rings films, King Kong (1933), The Wizard of Oz, Ben Hur, North by Northwest, the Ghostbusters films, Lawrence of Arabia, Gone with the Wind, the Rush Hour films, The French Connection, Napoleon Dynamite, Office Space, Raging Bull, Ronin, the new Battlestar Galactica TV series and HUNDREDS of others. That's just scratching the surface. There are titles that I KNOW FOR A FACT are in the works for release on Blu-ray in 2009 that will blow your minds, but I can't mention them by name yet. MAJOR catalog releases. For god's sake, folks... The Final Countdown is on Blu-ray! Are you kidding me?
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
The question isn't, "Is Harris right?" The question is, "Is Harris even PAYING ATTENTION?" Of course not. He's fine guy... but he's A DATA STORAGE GUY. He's not a film guy. He's not a home video industry expert. Make no mistake, the Hollywood studios are 110% behind the Blu-ray Disc format, folks. So are the hardware manufacturers, and so are all the major retailers. They're going to blow the doors off this format in 2009 in terms of amazing releases. And watch for prices on hardware and software to get even more affordable in the coming year. Blu-ray is going to be around for quite a long while, I don't care what Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and Robin Harris tell you. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A BETTER TIME TO BE A MOVIE FAN. PERIOD.
Blu-ray is dead?! Yeah, right! And I've got a bridge in Alaska to sell you.
As Charlie Brown might say, "Good grief..."
The Digital Bits wrote:Also today, do you recall that rant I posted a couple weeks back about how the talk of Blu-ray's demise was absurd? Our friend Ben Drawbaugh weighed in on the subject over at Engadget as well, and he's clearly of the same mind. Ben and I were e-mailing back and forth recently, and he made a few additional points about Blu-ray and the notion of downloading that I thought were interesting. First, he noted that while Apple was recently thrilled to announce program-to-date high-def TV series sales of $5 million via iTunes download, Blu-ray sold $17 million worth of titles that same week alone. Ben also sent the following, which made me smile...
"Top ten reasons that prove Hollywood is only playing in the downloads world while focusing its real efforts on Blu-ray.
10 - Movie commercials say "now available on Blu-ray and DVD" never mentions downloads.
9 - You can't rent TV shows from any download service, but you can buy them on disc.
8 - 24 hour rental window.
7 - 30 day rental limit.
6 - Extras only available on discs
5 - Can't rent HD movies on the PC (only on boxes like the 360, Vudu etc).
4 - Pulls previously available movies from the selection.
3 - About a 30 day window between when a title is released on disc and on download services.
2 - Digital copies are now included with many discs.
1 - Can't buy HD movies from any service."
Those are good points all. To them, I'll add the fact that according to VideoScan, Blu-ray now regularly hits as much as 10% of total sales of new release titles. In addition, there are now over 1,000 Blu-ray Disc titles released or scheduled for release according to the DVD Release Report (1,057 to be exact). That's a significant milestone after just two full years of format availability. Let's go further... as Blu-ray player pricing drops below $200 and even $150 this holiday season and into 2009, buying a Blu-ray player will become a no-brainer. Just a couple days ago, I was at the dentist and the hygienist was talking about how her DVD player had just died and she needed to get a new one. She asked about "this Blu-ray thing," and when I told her that she could get a BD player for under $200 and that it would play all her DVDs too, she was sold on the spot. That story is going to be repeated millions of times next year. ANYONE who walks into a Best Buy or a Wal-Mart looking to replace a broken cheap DVD player is going to learn about cheap Blu-ray/DVD players and think, "Why the hell not?" Have I mentioned the fact that Hollywood is being relentless in getting the word about Blu-ray Disc out? You're not going to see that with downloading. Why, you ask? You want the real clincher? The REAL reason why Blu-ray is going to be around a long time, and downloading isn't going to take over for a very long time? It's not just bandwidth, folks, though that's a problem too and will be for a while. No, the real roadblock is profit. Hollywood studios will NEVER be able to sell you a downloaded movie for $29.99 or $39.99. It'll NEVER happen. That would be like telling hardcore gamers that they can't buy games on physical discs anymore, but they still have to pay $60 for the latest, greatest titles. What this means is that downloading - best case - is going to take over the movie rental market, not sales. Any movie fans who want extras beyond just the movie itself, and want to actually own the content rather than continually rent it again and again, are going to stick with physical media. And that means Blu-ray. Anyone who tells you otherwise A) doesn't understand the home video industry or the movie enthusiast market, B) is a downloading advocate, or C) preferred HD-DVD and still feels sour grapes. That's not to say everyone who watches DVDs will make the switch to Blu, but this whole idea that Blu-ray isn't here to stay or is going to remain a super-über-high-end niche product is a load of malarkey. I'm just saying. Ben too.
Chairman Kaga wrote:Do you mean disagree more? I am confused.
so sorry wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Do you mean disagree more? I am confused.
I said I couldn't agree more...
Chairman Kaga wrote:so sorry wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Do you mean disagree more? I am confused.
I said I couldn't agree more...
OK, I will break it down then. The ZDnet blog link posted is about how Blu-Ray is dead. You then you go on to say Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere thus your agreement with the ZDnet article doesn't make any sense.
sonnyboo wrote:
16 months ago I called <http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=149> the HD war for Blu-ray. My bad. Who dreamed they could both lose?
Lord Voldemoo wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:so sorry wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Do you mean disagree more? I am confused.
I said I couldn't agree more...
OK, I will break it down then. The ZDnet blog link posted is about how Blu-Ray is dead. You then you go on to say Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere thus your agreement with the ZDnet article doesn't make any sense.
OR DOES IT?!??!??!?!??!?
no...no it doesn't.
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Shhh, word on the street is that the Sony S350 Blu-ray player will be $179.99 on Thanksgiving Day at KMart.
sonnyboo wrote:I don't endorse either side of the argument at this stage. I'm just a consumer, not an expert. I own Blu Ray discs and a player, plus a PS3.
I do find it odd that prices didn't start dropping on players until Black Friday ads. Places like CIRCUIT CITY and BEST BUY moved the Blu Ray discs from right next to the NEW RELEASES to the very back of their DVD sections next to the fitness and special interest videos.
Does that mean BLU RAY is dead? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Does it mean it's a lot slower on the uptake than people expected, especially in light of winning the "HD disc war"? hell yes. I think Sony make things too expensive for the consumer and their fellow manufacturers, so everyone loses some.
Can anyone tell me about the BLU RAY 2.0 standard? Is it true my player will suddenly become obsolete? Will I not be able to play new BLU RAY discs with my old player? If this rumor is true, I believe it will kill BLU RAY entirely. No one will dare upgrade to HD discs for fear of losing out on their current investments.
so sorry wrote:Lord Voldemoo wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:so sorry wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:Do you mean disagree more? I am confused.
I said I couldn't agree more...
OK, I will break it down then. The ZDnet blog link posted is about how Blu-Ray is dead. You then you go on to say Blu-Ray isn't going anywhere thus your agreement with the ZDnet article doesn't make any sense.
OR DOES IT?!??!??!?!??!?
no...no it doesn't.
HAHA! Oops.
I'd blame it on the tryptophan in my system, but I haven't had any yet... so I'm just an idiot.
Nachokoolaid wrote:But I don't get how it says there 's not a service that can stream movies, etc. that people prefer, especially when it comes to TV series.
But I just did that very thing with the first two seasons of 30 Rock and the entire run of The Tick to my Xbox 360. What gives?
RaulMonkey wrote:I've got a question about upconverting DVDs with a Blu-ray player. My owner's manual says that, with an HDMI cable, both DVDs and Blu-ray discs can be displayed at 1080p. If that's really the case, then is the only advantage to buying Blu-ray discs the added capacity for extras? Or will Blu-ray movies look even better than DVDs upconverted to 1080p, even though they're technically both being displayed at 1080p?
RaulMonkey wrote:I see. Thanks, Bax. Right now all I have is the standard AV (red-white-yellow) cable for my Blu-ray player, so all discs are 480i anyway. DVDs are definitely looking better compared to my regular player, but BDs aren't any better.
Also, my TV's only 720p, so perhaps that will narrow the gap in quality between DVDs and BDs even after I buy an HDMI. But I was told by a technologically-inclined person that the difference between 720p and 1080p TVs is negligible when the screen is smaller than 40'' (mine is 32''.) Something about the individual pixels not having to "stretch" as much. Would anyone care to comment on the accuracy of this?
RaulMonkey wrote:I see. Thanks, Bax. Right now all I have is the standard AV (red-white-yellow) cable for my Blu-ray player, so all discs are 480i anyway.
Chairman Kaga wrote:RaulMonkey wrote:I see. Thanks, Bax. Right now all I have is the standard AV (red-white-yellow) cable for my Blu-ray player, so all discs are 480i anyway.
Why aren't you using an HDMI cable? Otherwise you BD player is pretty much completely pointless. No digital signal = sizeable difference in both audio and video.
so sorry wrote:Chairman Kaga wrote:RaulMonkey wrote:I see. Thanks, Bax. Right now all I have is the standard AV (red-white-yellow) cable for my Blu-ray player, so all discs are 480i anyway.
Why aren't you using an HDMI cable? Otherwise you BD player is pretty much completely pointless. No digital signal = sizeable difference in both audio and video.
Yeah, I thought the same thing. perhaps its a cost thing for Raul... those HDMI cables are pretty pricey, aren't they?
Chairman Kaga wrote:RaulMonkey wrote:I see. Thanks, Bax. Right now all I have is the standard AV (red-white-yellow) cable for my Blu-ray player, so all discs are 480i anyway.
Why aren't you using an HDMI cable? Otherwise you BD player is pretty much completely pointless. No digital signal = sizeable difference in both audio and video.
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