Silent Shout wrote:As of right now, I'm slightly let down by it. Feels like a step backwards after Lifeblood. I need to listen to it more, hopefully I'll come around.
Scottys potty wrote:It is all too sad that Richey Edwards appears to have committed suicide. We feared this would be so. He wrote The Holy Bible. It is one of the darkest rock albums recorded and written and performed. This proves my point, king of nowhere. You talk like a smug person, a moron.
Scottys potty wrote:It is physical proof, my dear. You have insulted me. You were the first.
King Of Nowhere wrote:Scottys potty wrote:It is physical proof, my dear. You have insulted me. You were the first.
It has no proof.
Provide a copy of Richey's postmortem.
Else, end this.
Sir Shit Stain Sr. wrote:King Of Nowhere wrote:Scottys potty wrote:It is physical proof, my dear. You have insulted me. You were the first.
It has no proof.
Provide a copy of Richey's postmortem.
Else, end this.
No sir. YOU provide me a copy of Richey's postmortem that says that there is no link to his death and his music, or any proof that there isn't a link of suicide of any musical artist to their music. You can't. You are in over your head.
Scottys potty wrote:King Of Nowhere wrote:Scottys potty wrote:It is physical proof, my dear. You have insulted me. You were the first.
It has no proof.
Provide a copy of Richey's postmortem.
Else, end this.
No sir. YOU provide me a copy of Richey's postmortem that says that there is no link to his death and his music, or any proof that there isn't a link of suicide of any musical artist to their music. You can't. You are in over your head.
Scottys potty wrote:No. I am a man of debate an civilised talk. You sir, are a person who is trying to bait and trap and therefore should be treated by contempt by me. You also cannot disprove that this poor man's death wasn't a suicide.
Scottys potty wrote: So if you cannot call someone out on something, then you shouldn't be prepared to be called out on disproving the other party's theory either. As to the post above yours. No. There was no evidence of anything of such a material in his stomach. If you prefer to discuss this outside of here, we can do so more by text or phone.
Scottys potty wrote:As to the post above yours. No. There was no evidence of anything of such a material in his stomach. If you prefer to discuss this outside of here, we can do so more by text or phone.
King Of Nowhere wrote:Scottys potty wrote:No. I am a man of debate an civilised talk. You sir, are a person who is trying to bait and trap and therefore should be treated by contempt by me. You also cannot disprove that this poor man's death wasn't a suicide.
Can you prove that he's dead?Scottys potty wrote: So if you cannot call someone out on something, then you shouldn't be prepared to be called out on disproving the other party's theory either. As to the post above yours. No. There was no evidence of anything of such a material in his stomach. If you prefer to discuss this outside of here, we can do so more by text or phone.
blah, blah, blah, flame bait, blah.
Scottys potty wrote:King Of Nowhere wrote:Scottys potty wrote:No. I am a man of debate an civilised talk. You sir, are a person who is trying to bait and trap and therefore should be treated by contempt by me. You also cannot disprove that this poor man's death wasn't a suicide.
Can you prove that he's dead?Scottys potty wrote: So if you cannot call someone out on something, then you shouldn't be prepared to be called out on disproving the other party's theory either. As to the post above yours. No. There was no evidence of anything of such a material in his stomach. If you prefer to discuss this outside of here, we can do so more by text or phone.
blah, blah, blah, flame bait, blah.
Pupils say that to me when they lose an argument with me.
Can you also show me a postmortem that shows that there was evidence of guitar there? This would be interesting.
King Of Nowhere wrote:Scottys potty wrote:King Of Nowhere wrote:Scottys potty wrote:No. I am a man of debate an civilised talk. You sir, are a person who is trying to bait and trap and therefore should be treated by contempt by me. You also cannot disprove that this poor man's death wasn't a suicide.
Can you prove that he's dead?Scottys potty wrote: So if you cannot call someone out on something, then you shouldn't be prepared to be called out on disproving the other party's theory either. As to the post above yours. No. There was no evidence of anything of such a material in his stomach. If you prefer to discuss this outside of here, we can do so more by text or phone.
blah, blah, blah, flame bait, blah.
Pupils say that to me when they lose an argument with me.
Can you also show me a postmortem that shows that there was evidence of guitar there? This would be interesting.
I never said there was a guitar there.
I never said he was dead either.
Scottys potty wrote:Can you also show me a postmortem that shows that there was evidence of guitar there? This would be interesting.
BuckyO'harre wrote:It's been ten days since his last visit, so maybe we're rid of him.
Tyrone_Shoelaces wrote:Albini produced it? I'll have to give it a listen then.
jofussunshyne wrote:I must admit, I love to hate them.
jofussunshyne wrote:I must admit, I love to hate them. James Dean Bradfield ranks up there with Morrisey & Bono as utter dicks, whose music you can't but like.
King Of Nowhere wrote:jofussunshyne wrote:I must admit, I love to hate them. James Dean Bradfield ranks up there with Morrisey & Bono as utter dicks, whose music you can't but like.
It's all about separating the art from the artist though.
It's not like when we buy the album, we're buying into their ideals, lifestyle choice, political stance etc.
That sounds kinda strange, seeing as the manics are quite a political group.
But if that's why you got into the band, you probably had that kinda stance before discovering their music anyway.
I was talking to someone in the pub about morrisey & when i brought up the fact that he's an asshole, the other guy said something like "well we all are at times."
So that pretty much sums my stance up.
stereosforgeeks wrote:King Of Nowhere wrote:jofussunshyne wrote:I must admit, I love to hate them. James Dean Bradfield ranks up there with Morrisey & Bono as utter dicks, whose music you can't but like.
It's all about separating the art from the artist though.
It's not like when we buy the album, we're buying into their ideals, lifestyle choice, political stance etc.
That sounds kinda strange, seeing as the manics are quite a political group.
But if that's why you got into the band, you probably had that kinda stance before discovering their music anyway.
I was talking to someone in the pub about morrisey & when i brought up the fact that he's an asshole, the other guy said something like "well we all are at times."
So that pretty much sums my stance up.
You really cant separate the art from the artist. The artist's personality is at least part of the art. Does a critic making a point about a painting separate the artists emotions and brush strokes from the portrait?
You can never really separate an individual from their actions.
jofussunshyne wrote:stereosforgeeks wrote:King Of Nowhere wrote:jofussunshyne wrote:I must admit, I love to hate them. James Dean Bradfield ranks up there with Morrisey & Bono as utter dicks, whose music you can't but like.
It's all about separating the art from the artist though.
It's not like when we buy the album, we're buying into their ideals, lifestyle choice, political stance etc.
That sounds kinda strange, seeing as the manics are quite a political group.
But if that's why you got into the band, you probably had that kinda stance before discovering their music anyway.
I was talking to someone in the pub about morrisey & when i brought up the fact that he's an asshole, the other guy said something like "well we all are at times."
So that pretty much sums my stance up.
You really cant separate the art from the artist. The artist's personality is at least part of the art. Does a critic making a point about a painting separate the artists emotions and brush strokes from the portrait?
You can never really separate an individual from their actions.
I think he meant seperating the man from the music, (without the general classification of arts and artists,) and he was right.
JDB is a wanker in my eyes, but the Manics still have good, even great tunes. You just have to see past the reasons you dislike the man and admit to liking the music. It isn't critiqued the same way abstract art, prose, & perhaps even literature in itself should be because it doesn't need to be dripping with emotion to sound good. At the depths of certain songwriters traits are abstract lyrics that are a definition of their personality, but it isn't the same as why a painter will paint his soul on a blank canvas. Personality will shine through, but an angst-driven singer wont always create musical masterpieces within said mould because it just runs stale very quickly. A man will have his ways that he breathes into his singing and pours into his lyrics, but he should never be due the same critique as a painter with the blankest of canvas' staring back at him.
Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:You people are moronic. I've never seen more blatant examples of people talking about something they know sweet fuck all about. Having met the man, why anyone would think James Dean Bradfield is an 'arsehole' is beyond me.
jofussunshyne wrote:Worst Part's Almost Over wrote:You people are moronic. I've never seen more blatant examples of people talking about something they know sweet fuck all about. Having met the man, why anyone would think James Dean Bradfield is an 'arsehole' is beyond me.
Yeah, mate, it's called opinion. My opinion of the man from what I have seen, is that he is an "arsehole." Of course my opinion is based on my very own knowlege of him. I'm not gonna go all out and say "FUCK THIS, WHAT A TOOL!" because I know generally that my reasons are petty for not liking him I admit, he has just said some things that I didn't like in a very arrogant and pompous manner. If ANYONE did the same thing, I wouldn't like them either.
Who gives a fuck if you've met him, seriously. I'm pretty sure I've met people you don't like, but it doesn't mean you knew fuck all about them. I think he is what he is because of what I've seen and read of him in publications and on television where I am allowed to base an opinion. Just because I've never met the man, doesn't mean I can't say anything about him. If he is in the public eye, then he will always be made or broken by what peoples opinions of him are. I have listened to a lot of manics albums, bought a lot of magazines with them on the cover and seen them interviewed and performing, if I know fuck all then only people as cool as you who have met him should say anything about him.
That made me laugh that you said that thoughthanks mate!
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