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[CeeBeeUK]

I couldn't find a Lego games thread, and take this as pure speculation...

Harry Potter Lego?

[papalazeru]

I couldn't find a Lego games thread, and take this as pure speculation...

Grande Rojo Potter Lego?

Hehe! I really thought that was an Aintitcool version of the Lego games with Papa, Bastard, Havoc, Big Red, Mori and Seppu etc...

would have been funny.

[CeeBeeUK]

Damn stupid word filters! I didn't even notice when I posted. Can the mods fix this? Who knows.

[Lord Voldemoo]

Damn stupid word filters! I didn't even notice when I posted. Can the mods fix this? Who knows.

I can, but every time I suggest getting rid of a few word filters everyone yells at me.

[CeeBeeUK]

Who would want to delete our illustrious leaders name!, can you amend the post to remove the word filter? I thought I saw a mod do it in another thread

[King Of Nowhere]

We can all edit our own posts y'know.

you're looking for

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H{i]arry[/i]

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[b]H[/b]arry

[so sorry]

Who would want to gaffney our illustrious leaders name!, can you amend the post to remove the word filter? I thought I saw a mod do it in another thread

IPAMPILASH! Word Filter strikes again!

Damn stupid word filters! I didn't even notice when I posted. Can the mods fix this? Who knows.

I can, but every time I suggest getting rid of a few word filters everyone yells at me.

I'll yell at you for sure.

[CeeBeeUK]

We can all edit our own posts y'know.

you're looking for

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H{i]arry[/i]

or

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[b]H[/b]arry

But you can't do that for the URL. Oh well, TinyURL it is then...

[Hermanator X]

Could you add another word filter which translates "Potter" into "Harry Potter" or is that opening a whole nother can of worms?

It might screw up the Dennis Potter thread tho, if we have one.

[papalazeru]

Could you add another word filter which translates "Potter" into "Harry Potter" or is that opening a whole nother can of worms?

It might screw up the Dennis Potter thread tho, if we have one.

Why not HP for Harry Potter?

Can't really think of a word with that combo.

[papalazeru]

Could you add another word filter which translates "Potter" into "Harry Potter" or is that opening a whole nother can of worms?

It might screw up the Dennis Potter thread tho, if we have one.

Why not HP for Grande Rojo Potter?

Can't really think of a word with that combo.

Fuck it! got me too.

[Fievel]

Hewlett Packard
Hollywood Prostitutes
Hairy P (enis or ussy)
Hindi Proverbs
Haitian Potatoes
Halibut Projectile

[CeeBeeUK]

Could you add another word filter which translates "Potter" into "Harry Potter" or is that opening a whole nother can of worms?

It might screw up the Dennis Potter thread tho, if we have one.

But are word filters recursive? If you type HP and the filters change it to Harry Potter, would the filter kick in again?

[papalazeru]

Could you add another word filter which translates "Potter" into "Harry Potter" or is that opening a whole nother can of worms?

It might screw up the Dennis Potter thread tho, if we have one.

But are word filters recursive? If you type HP and the filters change it to Harry Potter, would the filter kick in again?

Arrrrgh! It's a Moebius filter....ARRRRRRGGGHHHH!

[Hermanator X]

Could you add another word filter which translates "Potter" into "Harry Potter" or is that opening a whole nother can of worms?

It might screw up the Dennis Potter thread tho, if we have one.

But are word filters recursive? If you type HP and the filters change it to Harry Potter, would the filter kick in again?

Arrrrgh! It's a Moebius filter....ARRRRRRGGGHHHH!

Haha. The worms, they are everywhere!!!

(Rubs hands together Burn's style)

And I cant believe HP Lovecraft was overlooked........

[King Of Nowhere]

We can all edit our own posts y'know.

you're looking for

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H{i]arry[/i]

or

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[b]H[/b]arry

But you can't do that for the URL. Oh well, TinyURL it is then...

Sure you can...

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[url=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a137179/Grande%20Rojo-potter-to-receive-lego-makeover.html][b]H[/b]arry Potter Lego[/url]

Yields
Harry Potter Lego

[CeeBeeUK]

Sure you can...

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[url=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a137179/Grande%20Rojo-potter-to-receive-lego-makeover.html][b]H[/b]arry Potter Lego[/url]

Yields
[url=http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/a137179/Grande%20Rojo-potter-to-receive-lego-makeover.html]Harry Potter Lego[/url]

But look at the page it's trying to link to...

and yet it still seems to work

[Hermanator X]

New puzzle quest demo http://www.playpuzzlequestgalactrix.com/

I lost a lot of time to the original puzzle quest, but im not sure yet about the new gameplay format for this version.
Anyway, it loads up nice and easy in your browser, so have a try.

[CeeBeeUK]

House of the Dead:Overkill is coming to Wii. So far, so whatever.

Have you seen the add-ons?

Sweeet!

[papalazeru]

Fallout 3 DLC for PC

THanks for that CeeBee.

Now what I can't understand is why I have to trade my cold hard interchangeable cash for Microshite points which I can't even buy food with?

I just want to buy the fucking DLC just by paying. I don't do Monopoly money outside of a game. All this, points, 'reward schemes', it's just another form of monitoring cash flow. C.U.N.T.S

As CeeBee said to me, SONY doens't do that with the PS3 you can pay cash.

I'm so pissed off that they try this on PC. I'm even tempted just to download it on Mininova and never pay for the content, those cheeky bastard.

[CeeBeeUK]

and don't forget, you have to buy a minimum of 1000 points for your 800 point purchase!

Good luck finding something to spend your spare 200 points on! Or you could wait to get shafted by MS again when the next DLC pack comes out!

and yes, I'm bitter that I have this on PS3 and get nothing!

[CeeBeeUK]

And now is probably as good a time as any for my DLC rant.

Microsoft are really pissing me off with their cheque book! GTA4, Fallout 3 and Tomb Raider are all multi-platform games that have add-ons that exclude PS3; they are either Xbox or Xbox and Windows.

This is a fantastic way to alienate your user base. Tomb Raider on the PS3 outsold the 360 version by 51% to 34% on initial sales.

Great! 50% of your clients are restricted on taking your game further. Yup, pretty sure I’ll remember that if you ever release another version!

At least in previous generations of console wars, if a title was exclusive, that was it. Tomb Raider was a PS1 exclusive when it came out. GTA was a timed exclusive on the Playstation family, you knew you would have to wait 6 months, but eventually you would be able to play it.

If a developer or individual game (Alan Wake: I’d like to play it, but know that my PC never will and it’s an Xbox/PC only title) is exclusive to a system – fair enough. But it’s Microsoft’s willingness to subsidise the restriction of parts of games that has really annoyed me.

In the current economic climate, I don’t really want to see any games developers drop deeper into trouble, but a small, childish part of me will crow if Eidos/Core’s financial troubles deepen. I hope that cheque from the owner of 34% of their user base covered the 50% that you alienated!

[papalazeru]

Important lesson Microsoft,

Don't treat your PC gamers like fucking Xbox twats.

And yes, I'm in a really bad mood because of this.

[King Psyz]

Personally I will no longer buy any product by any developer that releases paid exclusives to the 360.

I paid the same ammount for my disc as a 360 player did, why am I getting a gimped game? Because M$ paid you off? Hope they paid enough to cover losses from the next multi-platform title when it sells for shit on PS3...

So far Valve, Bethesda, Rockstar, and Eidos are on my list.

The worst part about Rockstar and Eidos is without the PS brand nobody would give half a shit who they are or what they did. Sony offered a platform to make their games on when everyone else said no and wouldn't license to them.

Valve is to busy riding their high horse paid for by Microsoft to bother to even develop for a system that while it may be behind is selling at a faster rate than 360 so eventually will be right up with the 360 install base (which is greatly over-inflated due to broken consoles and multiple purchases by the xbots who in the face of failing hardware kept bending over...).

[papalazeru]

Personally I will no longer buy any product by any developer that releases paid exclusives to the 360.

I paid the same ammount for my disc as a 360 player did, why am I getting a gimped game? Because M$ paid you off? Hope they paid enough to cover losses from the next multi-platform title when it sells for shit on PS3...

So far Valve, Bethesda, Rockstar, and Eidos are on my list.

The worst part about Rockstar and Eidos is without the PS brand nobody would give half a shit who they are or what they did. Sony offered a platform to make their games on when everyone else said no and wouldn't license to them.

Valve is to busy riding their high horse paid for by Microsoft to bother to even develop for a system that while it may be behind is selling at a faster rate than 360 so eventually will be right up with the 360 install base (which is greatly over-inflated due to broken consoles and multiple purchases by the xbots who in the face of failing hardware kept bending over...).

Ceebs is gonna love that.

I have problems with M$ trying to unify games all under one banner and devilery system (intentional typo). Not only that, they maintain a tight grip on OS and programs, they wish to now do it with games.

Fuck no. I'm too afraid at what MS's delivery system and what it will mean for the future. I'll stick with Steam, it's reliable.

Oh and why is DLC and downloadable games the same price as in the shop? Surely it costs less than to mass produce DVD's, paper, plastic etc...

[Al Shut]

New puzzle quest demo http://www.playpuzzlequestgalactrix.com/

I lost a lot of time to the original puzzle quest, but im not sure yet about the new gameplay format for this version.
Anyway, it loads up nice and easy in your browser, so have a try.

I love that despite not having a clue how the stones will move up

puzzle quest in space?

I need a next gen console

[Hermanator X]

New puzzle quest demo http://www.playpuzzlequestgalactrix.com/

I lost a lot of time to the original puzzle quest, but im not sure yet about the new gameplay format for this version.
Anyway, it loads up nice and easy in your browser, so have a try.

I love that despite not having a clue how the stones will move up

puzzle quest in space?

I need a next gen console

Its coming to pc too, according to the title screen on the link. So no console necessary. I imagine that such a simple game will run on pretty much any pc.

But if you do go the console route, I would advise the 360, as some of the DLC heading my way is awesome.
As soon as it returns from the red ring hospital I can take advantage of it. True!

[King Of Nowhere]

Personally I will no longer buy any product by any developer that releases paid exclusives to the 360.

I paid the same ammount for my disc as a 360 player did, why am I getting a gimped game? Because M$ paid you off? Hope they paid enough to cover losses from the next multi-platform title when it sells for shit on PS3...

So far Valve, Bethesda, Rockstar, and Eidos are on my list.

The worst part about Rockstar and Eidos is without the PS brand nobody would give half a shit who they are or what they did. Sony offered a platform to make their games on when everyone else said no and wouldn't license to them.

Valve is to busy riding their high horse paid for by Microsoft to bother to even develop for a system that while it may be behind is selling at a faster rate than 360 so eventually will be right up with the 360 install base (which is greatly over-inflated due to broken consoles and multiple purchases by the xbots who in the face of failing hardware kept bending over...).

Erm, depending on how you want to look at it, Eidos were huge even without the playstation market.

Tomb raider Came out on the Saturn first, then the Pc, then the playstation.
It was also made by Core.
There were mission packs available for the pc back in the day for TR1, i dunno about the rest of the series.
Nobody really complained then, but i'm sure you could interpret it as MS forcefully dominating &/or monopolizing the pc gaming market.

Eidos were huge because they bought out companies like Domark, Big Red & US Gold (remember them? fucking huge publisher back in the day, in the UK anyway, had their name on just about every Master System game i owned, not to mention tons of C64 games).

Back in the day, Eidos were kinda like EA.

The free Tomb Raider DLC on live right now? pointless extra costumes that aren't worth bothering with.
I dunno if they're available on the ps3, even if they are they're not worth wasting time downloading.


As for Valve, they said themselves that the ps3 is too difficult for them to port their shit to properly.
Strange though.
I don't see anyone in this thread complaining about the lack of Steam on Macs.


As for Rockstar & GTA, i take it you're talking about 3 onwards.
I don't see how Sony buying up the console rights is any different from Microsoft buying DLC rights.

Also, yeah, you bought the disk for the same price as a 360 one cost.
You got what you paid for.
It's not like any of these companies pulled a Namco & asked you to pay more for shit that's actually on the disk you own.

You got the exact same game as someone with a 360 did.
DLC isn't bonus content, it's an ad-on to an already complete game.
We 360 owners still have to pay for the dlc, not to mention paying for LIVE too.


This argument is kinda shit when you think about what the majority of the DLC actually is.
EA's shit for example.
Remember back in the day when magazines would print cheat codes for games?
Or one of your friends would tell you about "up, down, left, right, start" for sonic?
Ever hear about the Contra Code?
None of that really exists on the current generation consoles because developers can make cash on the fly from lazy gamers instead.
It's still a step above the bullshit Namco pulled, doesn't mean it's a ladder worth climbing though.

Companies are in a habit of making money.
Chances are, if MS didn't fork over the cash for exclusivity, Sony would've.

Sony had a lot of exclusive third party games back in the day, do you guys think that was just companies being nice to them?

[papalazeru]

Erm, depending on how you want to look at it, Eidos were huge even without the playstation market.

Tomb raider Came out on the Saturn first, then the Pc, then the playstation.
It was also made by Core.
There were mission packs available for the pc back in the day for TR1, i dunno about the rest of the series.
Nobody really complained then, but i'm sure you could interpret it as MS forcefully dominating &/or monopolizing the pc gaming market.

Eidos were huge because they bought out companies like Domark, Big Red & US Gold (remember them? fucking huge publisher back in the day, in the UK anyway, had their name on just about every Master System game i owned, not to mention tons of C64 games).

Back in the day, Eidos were kinda like EA.

Correct me if I'm wrong KON but Eidos weren't owned by Microshite back then

The free Tomb Raider DLC on live right now? pointless extra costumes that aren't worth bothering with.
I dunno if they're available on the ps3, even if they are they're not worth wasting time downloading.

Horse Armor on Oblivion. Nuff said, and not worth paying for

As for Valve, they said themselves that the ps3 is too difficult for them to port their shit to properly.
Strange though.
I don't see anyone in this thread complaining about the lack of Steam on Macs.

The only complaints so far, to my recollection, have been about Left 4 Dead because of the new engine which they had problems with porting.

As for Rockstar & GTA, i take it you're talking about 3 onwards.
I don't see how Sony buying up the console rights is any different from Microsoft buying DLC rights.

Touché, and I agrree

Also, yeah, you bought the disk for the same price as a 360 one cost.
You got what you paid for.
It's not like any of these companies pulled a Namco & asked you to pay more for shit that's actually on the disk you own.

Yes but most online software is 'subject to change' so if you don't own a disc, you could lose the lot. Something which annoys me. I'd prefer to own a disc as I know I CAN always install it on something (without some sort of Individualistic number being read or installed on my machine which means I can't play it on a laptop I OWN or any other machine I own (( at this point, I'll bless STEAM as I can play it anywhere on any machine capable, ANY game I have paid for))

DLC isn't bonus content, it's an ad-on to an already complete game.
We 360 owners still have to pay for the dlc, not to mention paying for LIVE too.

Got a 360, did a 180 when they asked for internet payment. I got a connection, thanks.

This argument is kinda shit when you think about what the majority of the DLC actually is.
EA's shit for example.
Remember back in the day when magazines would print cheat codes for games?
Or one of your friends would tell you about "up, down, left, right, start" for sonic?
Ever hear about the Contra Code?
None of that really exists on the current generation consoles because developers can make cash on the fly from lazy gamers instead.
It's still a step above the bullshit Namco pulled, doesn't mean it's a ladder worth climbing though.

Companies are in a habit of making money.
Chances are, if MS didn't fork over the cash for exclusivity, Sony would've.

Sony had a lot of exclusive third party games back in the day, do you guys think that was just companies being nice to them?

And KON comes to a close with such a lovely statment there. Perfectly sums up the Console market. It's getting harder to diversify so they vehemently protect their product (or portion of) as much as possilbe.

But, the only bonus there is that PS3 allows you to buy games, DLC in cash, and the internet connection is free.

Failing that, PC rules and consoles dool, Mofo's.

[King Of Nowhere]

Erm, depending on how you want to look at it, Eidos were huge even without the playstation market.

Tomb raider Came out on the Saturn first, then the Pc, then the playstation.
It was also made by Core.
There were mission packs available for the pc back in the day for TR1, i dunno about the rest of the series.
Nobody really complained then, but i'm sure you could interpret it as MS forcefully dominating &/or monopolizing the pc gaming market.

Eidos were huge because they bought out companies like Domark, Big Red & US Gold (remember them? fucking huge publisher back in the day, in the UK anyway, had their name on just about every Master System game i owned, not to mention tons of C64 games).

Back in the day, Eidos were kinda like EA.

Correct me if I'm wrong KON but Eidos weren't owned by Microshite back then

Eidos aren't owned by MS now either.
Warner are trying to absorb them right now though.

The free Tomb Raider DLC on live right now? pointless extra costumes that aren't worth bothering with.
I dunno if they're available on the ps3, even if they are they're not worth wasting time downloading.

Horse Armor on Oblivion. Nuff said, and not worth paying for

As for Valve, they said themselves that the ps3 is too difficult for them to port their shit to properly.
Strange though.
I don't see anyone in this thread complaining about the lack of Steam on Macs.

The only complaints so far, to my recollection, have been about Left 4 Dead because of the new engine which they had problems with porting.

My bad, they'd gave Orange Box to a team at EA because they lacked ps3 experience.
It was EA who ended up having the problem with the ps3 & the end result was apparently quite bad.

As for Rockstar & GTA, i take it you're talking about 3 onwards.
I don't see how Sony buying up the console rights is any different from Microsoft buying DLC rights.

Touché, and I agrree

Also, yeah, you bought the disk for the same price as a 360 one cost.
You got what you paid for.
It's not like any of these companies pulled a Namco & asked you to pay more for shit that's actually on the disk you own.

Yes but most online software is 'subject to change' so if you don't own a disc, you could lose the lot. Something which annoys me. I'd prefer to own a disc as I know I CAN always install it on something (without some sort of Individualistic number being read or installed on my machine which means I can't play it on a laptop I OWN or any other machine I own (( at this point, I'll bless STEAM as I can play it anywhere on any machine capable, ANY game I have paid for))

DLC isn't bonus content, it's an ad-on to an already complete game.
We 360 owners still have to pay for the dlc, not to mention paying for LIVE too.

Got a 360, did a 180 when they asked for internet payment. I got a connection, thanks.

This argument is kinda shit when you think about what the majority of the DLC actually is.
EA's shit for example.
Remember back in the day when magazines would print cheat codes for games?
Or one of your friends would tell you about "up, down, left, right, start" for sonic?
Ever hear about the Contra Code?
None of that really exists on the current generation consoles because developers can make cash on the fly from lazy gamers instead.
It's still a step above the bullshit Namco pulled, doesn't mean it's a ladder worth climbing though.

Companies are in a habit of making money.
Chances are, if MS didn't fork over the cash for exclusivity, Sony would've.

Sony had a lot of exclusive third party games back in the day, do you guys think that was just companies being nice to them?

And KON comes to a close with such a lovely statment there. Perfectly sums up the Console market. It's getting harder to diversify so they vehemently protect their product (or portion of) as much as possilbe.

But, the only bonus there is that PS3 allows you to buy games, DLC in cash, and the internet connection is free.

Failing that, PC rules and consoles dool, Mofo's.

The problem is, microsoft made a half hearted attempt at a console pc hybrid.
Networking? yep
Online gaming? yep
Instant messaging? yep
Audio conversations? yep
Video conversations? yep
Content delivery system? yep
Streaming video? yep
Streaming audio? yep
Game installation? yep
Upgradeable hardware? yep

Plug & play? well, kinda.
It's really more of a gamble.

Browser? nope
How the fuck can you leave out the main part of any web capable apparatus?


That's why Microsoft say that "...with the 360, gaming is our top priority"

[papalazeru]

The problem is, microsoft made a half hearted attempt at a console pc hybrid.
Networking? yep
Online gaming? yep
Instant messaging? yep
Audio conversations? yep
Video conversations? yep
Content delivery system? yep
Streaming video? yep
Streaming audio? yep
Game installation? yep
Upgradeable hardware? yep

Plug & play? well, kinda.
It's really more of a gamble.

Browser? nope
How the fuck can you leave out the main part of any web capable apparatus?


That's why Microsoft say that "...with the 360, gaming is our top priority"

Heh!

Apart from all of that, and the fact that PC gamers love running their own servers (CeeBee and I do it all the time)....they have no fucking clue, they just wish to mould the gaming market into something they can spin more money off, even though creatively it's got nothing to do with them.

Console and Computer players are different markets, in 10 years maybe closer but not now.

No matter what's said, at least Playstation and Wii knew their markets

[Al Shut]

I need a next gen console

Its coming to pc too, according to the title screen on the link. So no console necessary. I imagine that such a simple game will run on pretty much any pc.

meh I'm running on pre millenium technology. But the demo worked so who knows

[CeeBeeUK]

This is going to get confusing, I’m going to try and reply to lots of posts above and keep it in some semblance of order, so I may end up quoting out of sequence…

My ire with this situation is split about 70/30 in favour of Microsoft at the moment, because…

Personally I will no longer buy any product by any developer that releases paid exclusives to the 360.

I paid the same ammount for my disc as a 360 player did, why am I getting a gimped game? Because M$ paid you off? Hope they paid enough to cover losses from the next multi-platform title when it sells for shit on PS3...

Also, yeah, you bought the disk for the same price as a 360 one cost.
You got what you paid for.
<snip>
You got the exact same game as someone with a 360 did.
DLC isn't bonus content, it's an ad-on to an already complete game.
We 360 owners still have to pay for the dlc, not to mention paying for LIVE too.

So far Valve, Bethesda, Rockstar, and Eidos are on my list.

…I doubt any of those developers thought, “Hmm, lets spend ages developing add-ons for our new games and piss off half our customers by making it exclusive to one system. Hello Sony, Microsoft, who’s got more cash?”

I fully expect console owners approached each of them, slapped a cheque book down and said, “Let’s talk”

The 30% aimed at the developers is for replying, “Yes, lets”.

These developers have spent a lot of time and effort on their properties and, from previous releases, I doubt partial exclusivity would have figured in their business plans.

The worst part about Rockstar and Eidos is without the PS brand nobody would give half a shit who they are or what they did. Sony offered a platform to make their games on when everyone else said no and wouldn't license to them.[quote=”kon”]As for Rockstar & GTA, i take it you're talking about 3 onwards.
I don't see how Sony buying up the console rights is any different from Microsoft buying DLC rights.

[/quote]

The difference as I see it is, GTA was exclusive to PS as a whole *, same as Gears of War is to Xbox. (If GoW is developed by MS, substitute another exclusive title developed by an external company )

*But even then, Sony paid big bucks for a timed exclusive. You knew that eventually you could play it on your PC or xbox, you just had to listen to the Sony fanboys crowing about it for a year first.

What you can’t have, you don’t miss. As I said above, the early stuff I saw for Alan Wake looked great. It ain’t coming to PS3, so I won’t lose any sleep about not playing it. If they released it in an episodic format and both machines had episode 1, but episode 2 would only ever be released on Xbox I’d be pissed off. That’s how I see the GTA4 and Fallout add-ons, they’ve drawn me into their world and then said the story continues, but not for you! And given me the finger.

Companies are in a habit of making money.
Chances are, if MS didn't fork over the cash for exclusivity, Sony would've.

And if they had, I’d have thought Sony were douches too.

As I said above, this is were my annoyance with the developers come in, never mind keeping your customers happy, suckle at the corporate teat and fuck the paying customers.

This argument is kinda shit when you think about what the majority of the DLC actually is.
EA's shit for example.

The minor shit doesn’t bother me, downloadable skins for Tomb Raider, who cares. Two extra levels? Yes, I care. I supported the development of the main game, why shouldn't I see the extras too?

[King Psyz]

KoN, you're missing the point. Mainly because you own a 360 so this doesn't effect you. Although I'll get to that in a bit...

See, even if it is something simple like outfits for Laura, well my girlfriend loves Tomb Raider and I got her the new one for Chirstmas. So she would buy and like those DLC items but because we chose Sony (the platform that made TR famous, PC gaming and the Saturn did not bring TR to the masses, sorry) we're assed out.

GTAIV though... fuck R*. This is the reason I did an extended rental of their buggy ass game and didn't buy it. If it was timed exclusive like Sony had last gen, It would be different. While I might have to wait, I'd still get the opertunity to continue with extra content. But cutting out half your market from continued content will backfire next time they release a game. I have already decided to pass on GTA whatever because obviously they don't need my cash Microsoft had plenty for them.

If it was due to technical restraints I'd even give it a pass. But seeing as how R* had to scale back production on GTA4 because of 360's limitations it's fairly shit that not only did I get a gimped game, but 360 gets rewarded for it...

I'm glad I passed on Fallout 3 to wait for Killzone 2 for the same reason. Why spend the same ammount as a 360 player for a gimped version of the game and then months later be slapped in the face by Bethesda just because I bought their software for the wrong console according to them.

The Valve thing though, it has nothing to do with difficulty and a whole lot to do with payola. They got away with the "but it's sooooooooooo haaaaaaaard to program for PS3..." at launch, but when games like Burnout Paradise, Resistance 1&2, Uncharted 1&2, Killzone 2, Ratchet & Clank, Little Big Planet, etc come out and make the system shine and Burnout was multiplatform I have to call bullshit.

The worst part though is your live subscription is what allows MS to pay off developers for exclusives, which would be one thing if you got it for free, but they make you pay for it. Double dipping... Now that's thinking customers first!

[King Of Nowhere]

I supported the development of the main game, why shouldn't i see the extras too?

Because developers want money.
Exclusivity has been a gigantic part of the home console market since the days of old.

You can blame who you want, but nobody forced the developers to sign these contracts.
Nobody forced Square to work with Nintendo exclusively back in the day, they opted into contracts & made a studly load of cash creating great games.
Then Square drifted over to sony for a while & now they've decided to go multi.

Rare is another example.
Nintendo ended up owning half the company at one point, in order to keep Rare to themselves.
Then MS came around & paid hundreds of millions to swallow the company.
They still make DS games though.

How about Namco's PS orgy.
Tekken, Time Crisis, Ridge Racer...
Huge franchises that were Sony exclusives for a long time.
It wasn't because they couldn't port them to other systems, Battle Arena Toshinden, Ridge Racer 64 & Soul Calibur proved that.
Sony shilled out some studly cash & Namco delivered some great games.

Rockstar/DMA/Take Two Released timed exclusives on the PS2 for a long time & now decided to go multi to make more money.
I say timed exclusives, nobody expected Sony to let the contract lapse.
GTA 3, Vice City, those were Playstation games that Dreamcast, Gamecube & Xbox owners were in awe of.

Microsoft paid Rockstar 50 million to make two mission packs for the 360.
Where were Sony at the time?
The same Sony who, according to some zoners, helped build DMA/Rockstar/Take Two.
Were they out to lunch?
Worrying about how bad HAZE* was?
Either Sony weren't offering enough to keep the series a timed exclusive, they weren't offering enough to get the rights to the DLC or both.
Whatever way you look at it, Sony lost out & it's their own fault.


Microsoft snapping up DLC rights is just their way of catching up on what's been going on for forever.
They tried a little with people like Sega on the original xbox.
Problem was, Sega didn't really know what the fuck to do after the Dreamcast died & ended up being multi platform just to keep themselves from going tits up.
Microsoft then borrowed the strategy that worked for people like EA & Eidos instead.
Thus, Halofags were born & all FPS games now have driving sequences.


The argument that "what you can't have, you don't miss" is fucking bullshit though.
You cant have the DLC.
Do you miss it?
Are you complaining about it?

You bought GTA 4.
It was a completed game.
Not a game that Rockstar decided to ship half done & sort out down the road for extra cash.
You got what you paid for.
You didn't buy the right to have DLC for it.
Neither did the people who bought the 360 version.
Neither did Sony.
Microsoft did.


It isn't 1992 anymore.
Developers don't particularly care about the people who play their games.




*HAZE was brought up because again, it was an exclusive.
Coincidently, it was made by Free Radical, a development house consisting former members of RARE.
Ties everything together quite nicely.

KoN, you're missing the point. Mainly because you own a 360 so this doesn't effect you. Although I'll get to that in a bit...

See, even if it is something simple like outfits for Laura, well my girlfriend loves Tomb Raider and I got her the new one for Chirstmas. So she would buy and like those DLC items but because we chose Sony (the platform that made TR famous, PC gaming and the Saturn did not bring TR to the masses, sorry) we're assed out.

GTAIV though... fuck R*. This is the reason I did an extended rental of their buggy ass game and didn't buy it. If it was timed exclusive like Sony had last gen, It would be different. While I might have to wait, I'd still get the opertunity to continue with extra content. But cutting out half your market from continued content will backfire next time they release a game. I have already decided to pass on GTA whatever because obviously they don't need my cash Microsoft had plenty for them.

If it was due to technical restraints I'd even give it a pass. But seeing as how R* had to scale back production on GTA4 because of 360's limitations it's fairly shit that not only did I get a gimped game, but 360 gets rewarded for it...

I'm glad I passed on Fallout 3 to wait for Killzone 2 for the same reason. Why spend the same ammount as a 360 player for a gimped version of the game and then months later be slapped in the face by Bethesda just because I bought their software for the wrong console according to them.

The Valve thing though, it has nothing to do with difficulty and a whole lot to do with payola. They got away with the "but it's sooooooooooo haaaaaaaard to program for PS3..." at launch, but when games like Burnout Paradise, Resistance 1&2, Uncharted 1&2, Killzone 2, Ratchet & Clank, Little Big Planet, etc come out and make the system shine and Burnout was multiplatform I have to call bullshit.

The worst part though is your live subscription is what allows MS to pay off developers for exclusives, which would be one thing if you got it for free, but they make you pay for it. Double dipping... Now that's thinking customers first!

Alright, hold on a little bit.
You replied while i was typing this out, gimme a moment to gather my thoughts & i'll come back & address your points.

[King Of Nowhere]

If a mod wants to split this into it's own topic, now would be a good time.

KoN, you're missing the point. Mainly because you own a 360 so this doesn't effect you. Although I'll get to that in a bit...

See, even if it is something simple like outfits for Laura, well my girlfriend loves Tomb Raider and I got her the new one for Chirstmas. So she would buy and like those DLC items but because we chose Sony (the platform that made TR famous, PC gaming and the Saturn did not bring TR to the masses, sorry) we're assed out.

GTAIV though... fuck R*. This is the reason I did an extended rental of their buggy ass game and didn't buy it. If it was timed exclusive like Sony had last gen, It would be different. While I might have to wait, I'd still get the opertunity to continue with extra content. But cutting out half your market from continued content will backfire next time they release a game. I have already decided to pass on GTA whatever because obviously they don't need my cash Microsoft had plenty for them.

If it was due to technical restraints I'd even give it a pass. But seeing as how R* had to scale back production on GTA4 because of 360's limitations it's fairly shit that not only did I get a gimped game, but 360 gets rewarded for it...

I'm glad I passed on Fallout 3 to wait for Killzone 2 for the same reason. Why spend the same ammount as a 360 player for a gimped version of the game and then months later be slapped in the face by Bethesda just because I bought their software for the wrong console according to them.

The Valve thing though, it has nothing to do with difficulty and a whole lot to do with payola. They got away with the "but it's sooooooooooo haaaaaaaard to program for PS3..." at launch, but when games like Burnout Paradise, Resistance 1&2, Uncharted 1&2, Killzone 2, Ratchet & Clank, Little Big Planet, etc come out and make the system shine and Burnout was multiplatform I have to call bullshit.

The worst part though is your live subscription is what allows MS to pay off developers for exclusives, which would be one thing if you got it for free, but they make you pay for it. Double dipping... Now that's thinking customers first!

You're not getting gimped games though.
Well, aside from TR: Underworld.

I have so many problems with that game that i won't dive to deeply into.
But yeah, it's half a game.
Eidos shouldn't have released it when they did & should've sorted it out before even thinking about DLC.
That's partly why i hate the free costumes they're giving away to us 360 users.
It's a half-hearted apology & doesn't really bode well.

I agree that Sony played a huge part in making the TR franchise what it was (just not Eidos, they were what they were).
Particularly by buying up the rights to TR 2 & 3.
When the deal was over, we were left with the shittiest TR games ever.
Last revelation & Chronicles were horrible.

Anyway, aside from TR:U, you purchased (or rented) full, finished games.

Me owning a 360 is fuck all to do with it.
I don't have a rose tinted view of MS or their practices (unlike quite a lot of 360 users).
I don't have a rose tinted view of any company.
Thats why i can say something like "Tiger Woods 09 kicked fucking ass, EA are still a bunch of cunts though."
Sure, i'm buying a game & handing money over to a company i don't like.
I'm not investing in the company though, I just want to play a good game.

I bought a 360 cause i could afford one at the time.
I bought a 360 because some games i like were going multi (Tekken, Final Fantasy...).
Doesn't mean i like microsoft any more than i did back when windows 98 was constantly dying on me.
Or when Windows 95 couldn't open half the fucking files it was supposed to & i had to shill out for Office 97 or whatever the fuck it was.

The point i'm trying to make is, every company brought up in this thread is as bad as the next.
They all share the same shady tactics.
They all do shit i'm sure most of us don't agree with at times.
A good game is a good game, regardless of what platform it runs on.
You can't just strike names off a list because the developers have pissed you off.
You can blame Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, Square, Namco, Naughty Dog, Rare, Capcom, Valve, Eidos, Rockstar & whoever else you want.
If you do, that list is going to turn into a book.
You may as well stop playing games altogether.

I loved sega back in the day.
I had a Master System, then the Mega Drive/Genesis.
Then sega fucked me over with the 32X & mega CD.
I didn't buy the Saturn when it came out.
Bought a Dreamcast & they fucked it over in it's prime.
Doesn't mean i'll never play Virtua Fighter again.

[Hermanator X]

Shit man, we xbox owners need the DLC, otherwise what are we supposed to use our games consoles for if we aint playing games?
I sooooo much want to go buy some virtual furniture and clothes to make my home avatar comfortable and hip... do random people come up to me on fallout and start dancing in my face? No. I havent been "served" once, and it breaks my heart.
(Tongue firmly in cheek)

Games arent gimped if you cant get the DLC, the previous game still exists, as has been said. I would prefer if everyone had access to the DLC, but having a go at people who own the machines is a bit silly. Sony have underhand tactics too. When the netflix service launched, none of the sony movies were available. It took some backroom dealings with netflix and sony to get sony to yield and allow the films to be shown.

I dont love or hate any company, and swearing allegiance to one is ridiculous. Its like arguing about washing machines or toasters. Fair enough if you take gaming THAT seriously that you can get angry about it, but to me its all about sitting back, being drawn into another world and having fun.

Just for schitz'n'gigglez heres a price comparison of the 3 consoles as they are here in norway.

The prices below are for bare bones, no bundle, basic console package only.
PS3 (80gb)
3,999.00 NOK = 590.925 USD
3,999.00 NOK = 417.783 GBP

elite
2,799.00 NOK = 413.515 USD
2,799.00 NOK = 292.309 GBP

pro (60gb)
1,995.00 NOK = 294.672 USD
1,995.00 NOK = 208.377 GBP

I do really want both machines, and hope I can do so when God of War 3 comes out, and I want to start collecting blu rays, but as you can see above, its a pricy commitment....

[CeeBeeUK]

Disclaimer: I haven't owned a console since my PS1 semi-died (remember the laser drop? Turn it upside down, it'll work again!) so I've been a disinterested third party in the last generation of console wars.

I don't hate Microsoft. How could I, they bought us Vista, Office 2008 and the RROD [Tongue so far in cheek it hurts ]

I am annoyed with them.

As I said above, in previous console generations, some developers had exclusivity contracts - fair enough - you want Tekken? Get a PS1. Want Gears of War? and so on...

Console owners buying developers? Fair game. If Nintendo want the developer of goldeneye (and who wouldn't?) to only write software for them

The argument that "what you can't have, you don't miss" is fucking bullshit though.
You cant have the DLC.
Do you miss it?
Are you complaining about it?

The quote you took was obviously aimed at an entire franchise. If MS had paid for Fallout to be a 360 exclusive, I would not have a problem with it in the slightest. But the situation is now that Bethesda have released a game on the PS3 that will have 4 additional chapters (containing who knows how much content) that I can never have access to... and that sucks.

[King Psyz]

Sorry but I whole heartedy disagree with the view that if I don't have access to the same expansions even though I paid the same for the original software I'm still being treated equally as a consumer.

It is a gimped game if they give you the opening act and save the finale for xbox owners, and visa versa. You want to make something console exclusive, please be my guest. I kinda wish that was the case with Orange Box as it wasn't even worth playing on PS3... But honestly, if Microsoft wants to make Fallout XBOX exclusive, by all means pony up the cash. Instead they make deals for less money that only go on to futher annoy and infuriate the fanbases of titles when they find out well after buying the game that because they bought it for the wrong hardware they don't get the added content/value...

I'll bet that MS and Bethesda knew long before release that this DLC was going to be exclusive so to not make that patently clear upfront is bad business. Honestly, if developers want to whore out content like this they should have to state clearly on the box for the PS3 version THIS VERSION OF THE GAME DOES NOT HAVE EXTRA DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT PLANNED or something to that effect. Let customers decide if they still want to buy the software then. But this is why they don't disclose that info, they still want my $60, they just don't want to continue to support the product I bought.

I wouldn't mind playing something like Fable or Gears of War (although I hear it's buggy and unstable online...) but I can't and I'm okay with that. But if they released Gears on PS3 next month and then a month later came out with extra DLC for PS3 only the XBOXers would start foaming at the mouth.

That's my main beef, I don't care if a game will be console exclusive, but when you make a multi platform game you should support all platforms equally.

[papalazeru]

What they are saying is it's like watching Battlestar Galactica or something....

then the show finishes and you think that's it but then it appears on another station that you don't have. You'd feel cheated that you can't continue the love affair with that programme.

The problem is companies preying off out emotional attachment to the games, the characters and the stories.

It can hurt like a bitch because it is companies acting like bitches. They think people are made of money. Fuck 'em.

[papalazeru]

Aussie's might ban MMO's

Sorry Monkey666, no more Warcraft for you.

NSW? Is that Not Safe for Work?

[Nachokoolaid]

King, it seems like a lot of your stress would be alieviated if you'd just buy a 360.

[King Psyz]

I'm not stressed, but if I had a 360 I'd be worried all the time it's gonna esplode or burn my house down...

[King Of Nowhere]

They don't, anymore.

[papalazeru]

They don't, anymore.

Xbox's now come with a fire extinguisher

[Hermanator X]

RED DEAD REVOLVER is getting a sequel.

RED DEAD REDEMPTION is on its way, from Rockstar Whales Vagina. I loved the original, and it was one of my ps2 playing highlights. I just thought it was superbly done. I cant link to game sites from work, but sure someone can find it if they interested.

Yeeeeee Hawwwww!

[Hermanator X]

Has a good stand-alone Wolverine game finally been made? I tried out an early hands-on demo tonight of X-Men Origins: Wolverine at Activision's pre-New York Comic Con press event to find out.

What It Is
X-Men Origins: Wolverine is an action game based off the upcoming movie developed by Raven Software, which brought you Quake 4 and Soldier Of Fortune. The story focuses on the X-Men character Wolverine before and after he's given his adamantium skeleton. I found the gameplay closely resembled God of War, surprisingly. You'll be involved in plenty of tight, close-combat battles, as well as many platforming and playable, cinematic sequences.

What We Saw
I demoed the first level of the game at an Activision party for the Xbox 360. I spent about 20 minutes playing before I kindly passed the controller on to someone else. The level mainly took place in a jungle setting filled with various soldiers equipped with guns and swords.

What Needs Improvement
While the jungle environment looked very robust, it was at times a bit too linear. I felt I was always going on straight path. This was the opening tutorial level, though, so perhaps the later levels get a bit more exploratory.

I would also like to see more destructible environmental elements. The only breakable items seem to be clay pots.

What Should Stay The Same
The grotesque violence. Seriously. I wasn't the only person there that was stunned at the amount of sheer brutality in this game. Normally, we don't really see Wolverine hack and slash people to pieces, usually just a punch to the gut with little to no blood. The opening CGI movie and the following gameplay, however, were almost disturbing. The Activision rep proclaimed this to be the way fans wanted to see Wolverine. Well, you guys got your wish. Prepare for a bloodbath!

I also loved the leaping control. Being able to jump on an on-coming enemy and immediately start stabbing their guts felt very satisfying every time.

Final Thoughts
This game has as much over-the-top violence as something like MadWorld. Wolverine uppercuts heads off torsos, jams enemies into the blades of helicopters. and even throws bodies onto spikes coming out of the floor. I know most movie-licensed games aren't very good, but this could one game that everyone will be talking about, even if it's because of the violence.

http://kotaku.com/5147651/x+men-origins-wolverine-preview-a-bloody-good-time

[Hermanator X]

http://kotaku.com/5147842/ex+lucasarts-mans-adventure-game-out-now

Oh dear. Here we were, all excited at the prospect of playing Vampyre Story - by ex-Lucasarts man Bill Tiller - and then we went and forgot all about it. Lucky TIGS reminded us.

Because the game is now out! You can pick it up over on Amazon. To remind you why we're reminding you of this, this is a point-and-click adventure game, developed by a company founded by a man who pulled art duties on Monkey Island and The Dig.

[Spandau Belly]

Well it seems Guitar Hero: Aerosmith must've been a big hit because they've got Guitar Hero: Metallica coming out in about a month.

Man, I do not get this. I understand there are some hardcore fans for both these groups, but the idea of just playing one artist's music for an entire game sounds tedious to me. I mean, I'm not a rock music lover anyway and I don't really play Guitar Hero that often, but if my Dance Dance Revolution just played Lady Gaga or La Bouche or something over and over again it would drive me nuts.

Variety's the spice of life, man.

Anyway, I'm waiting for them to make Turntable Hero so I can mix scatches along with Run DMC and Salt 'n Peppa. That's my kind of scene.

[Hermanator X]

DJ Hero has officially been announced I believe, and Paul Oakenfold is involved to some degree. I cant spy game sites at work, but seek and (hopefully) ye shall find!