Zarles wrote:Advertising is what you make of it. Like that Simpsons episode says, 'Just don't look.' If you think the products are crap, don't buy them. Simple as that. It's funny - no one says boo to advertising when it's in the form of cool posters, t-shirts, and swag being doled out and sold at places like Comic-Con.
A rose is a rose is a rose...
tapehead wrote:magicmonkey wrote:Murdoch is the emperor, he pulls the strings, controls reality and... and... he's Australian!!
What are you implying?
magicmonkey wrote:tapehead wrote:magicmonkey wrote:Murdoch is the emperor, he pulls the strings, controls reality and... and... he's Australian!!
What are you implying?
Oh you know, only that being Australian ranks above the emperor of Star Wars in terms of being evil...![]()
Lord Voldemoo wrote:Bluebottle wrote:Sorry if I think the world would be better off with advertising, lawyers and parking enforcers.
Zarles wrote:Consumer culture/capitalism is what this country runs on, and that's never, ever going to change. However, I think where the real power lies is with us - the consumer. Companies can advertise and jam crap down our throats all they want, but in the end, we don't really have to buy anything. So there's a Nissan ad on during 'Heroes'. Big deal. Does that mean you have to go out and buy a Nissan? Of course not.
For example, shopping at Whole Foods or Wegman's instead of at Ralph's or Shop-Rite is in effect supporting the independent, organic farms that are run by real people. WE determine where our money goes, not them. Look inside your wallet the next time that Nissan ad starts to run, and I guarantee you that when it's over, you'll still have the same amount of money in there. Ads mean nothing if we don't act on them.
On the flipside, though, I'm not bashing advertising companies. As I've stated, they, too, have a job to do, and it's nothing but bleeding-heart fantasy-land bullshit rhetoric to fault them for that. I'd love to live in a world where I could trade a song for a sandwich, too, but unfortunately, the world doesn't run like that.
It's got Paul Anka's guarantee...
TonyWilson wrote:Zarles wrote:Consumer culture/capitalism is what this country runs on, and that's never, ever going to change. However, I think where the real power lies is with us - the consumer. Companies can advertise and jam crap down our throats all they want, but in the end, we don't really have to buy anything. So there's a Nissan ad on during 'Heroes'. Big deal. Does that mean you have to go out and buy a Nissan? Of course not.
For example, shopping at Whole Foods or Wegman's instead of at Ralph's or Shop-Rite is in effect supporting the independent, organic farms that are run by real people. WE determine where our money goes, not them. Look inside your wallet the next time that Nissan ad starts to run, and I guarantee you that when it's over, you'll still have the same amount of money in there. Ads mean nothing if we don't act on them.
On the flipside, though, I'm not bashing advertising companies. As I've stated, they, too, have a job to do, and it's nothing but bleeding-heart fantasy-land bullshit rhetoric to fault them for that. I'd love to live in a world where I could trade a song for a sandwich, too, but unfortunately, the world doesn't run like that.
It's got Paul Anka's guarantee...
Zarles, buddy you couldn't be more wrong here. Holding ad companies to account for the coruscating shit they put out is a fucking moral imperative. Ad companies would do anything they could get away with to sell a product. It's up to people to call them on it and pressure them to change. Throwing your hands up in the air and saying "oh it will never change" is defeatist crap, no major shake up of any large system would ever happen if people went around with that attitude.
Bluebottle wrote:Advertisers are panicking because they're worried that their ads aren't getting out there like they used to. I think we're going to see a shift in advertisings role in television, which is where I'm curious to see what will happen.
TonyWilson wrote:But your saying it's fantasy land to fault ad companies for what they do.
Holding them accountable is the same thing, what they do is highly fucking suspect and keeping a close eye on them is important. That's what Bill Hicks was doing, through the medium of comedy sure, but it he was trying to make more people aware of the insidious effects of this industry.
Zarles wrote:Bluebottle wrote:Advertisers are panicking because they're worried that their ads aren't getting out there like they used to. I think we're going to see a shift in advertisings role in television, which is where I'm curious to see what will happen.
It's already started. Why do you think advertisers are so hot to figure out a way to advertise effectively on YouTube?
Bluebottle wrote:Network television can't exist without advertising. So, advertisers are going to get more and more pushy with the way they get their message into the programs.
Heroes cracked the ranks of TV's most watched shows—and superpowers had nothing to do with it. A new ratings rule did.
Per the latest Nielsen Media Research rankings, the NBC show goes down in the books as having aired last Monday, having averaged 17 million viewers and having finished in seventh place for the first week of the 2007-08 season.
But to secure those enviable numbers, NBC aired Heroes twice.
The show repeated on Saturday night, attracting about 3 million new viewers. Following up on an NBC request, Nielsen added those 3 million viewers to the 14 million or so who tuned in last Monday, and just like that, Heroes had its 17 million. Along with its biggest season premiere.
As reported last week, NBC's trickeration was perfectly legal: The network took advantage of a new Nielsen rule that allows networks to combine numbers from multiple broadcasts of the same show, provided the same commercials are also aired.
According to Nielsen spokeswoman Anne Elliot, Heroes is the first prime-time show to gain from the recount process.
"They did it quicker than most people thought they would," Elliot said Tuesday of NBC.
The move has prompted grumbling from NBC rivals, who took pains to point out that NBC benefited not only from being able to count two Heroes as one, but by being able to not count Saturday's Heroes, which was relatively low-rated, at all. (In the Nielsen rankings, there is no record of Heroes having ever aired over the weekend—the Saturday broadcast was essentially a clone created to supply parts for the Monday mothership.)
The rule was under review Tuesday, Elliot said. But as of press time, it still stood. And as such, Elliot said she did not expect NBC to be the last network to take advantage of it: "I think we'll probably see a lot of others using it."
The new rule is part of an overall new direction at Nielsen, which is already folding DVR playback numbers into weekly ratings and developing systems that would measure how many eyeballs are watching shows via streaming video, podcasts and more.
"There are just so many different ways that television is watched these days," said Elliot.
In old-fashioned times, Heroes would have finished in about 14th place, which would have made for a still-solid premiere. Just not a superhuman one.
On Monday night, the show was back to its mere mortal self, averaging an estimated 12 million viewers.
Hollywood Reporter wrote:Nielsen Media Research drops rebroadcast rule
By Paul J. Gough
Oct 9, 2007
NEW YORK -- Nielsen Media Research has dropped its newly established rule that allowed NBC to add ratings to "Heroes" in its premiere from an identical rebroadcast later in the week.
The move, announced Tuesday afternoon, will go a long way to satisfying Nielsen's network clients who were unhappy not so much that "Heroes" was boosted but that the network got to drop an hour of low-rated primetime ratings out of its weekly averages.
Now both the original and the repeat rating will be reported, unlike on Saturday, Sept. 29 when NBC's re-aired "Heroes" at 8 p.m. and the unduplicated viewing was added to its Monday premiere.
Nielsen said NBC followed the rules but that its other clients were upset about the consequences of the change. Talks began about what to do about the process, culminating in the change.
"Clients told us that it was essential for the ratings to the individual telecasts to remain available so that the viewing to each telecast can be analyzed separately and to ensure there is no ratings gap in any time period," Nielsen said. "In addition, clients commented the ability to combine two telecasts should not be allowed unless the option was available for all national media types."
Nielsen said it would continue to look at the issue, with the idea like previously to try to give the networks the ability to have flexibility in reporting in today's new landscape.
Monday's hourly results:
8 p.m.
ABC: "Dancing with the Stars" (17.1 million viewers, 11.0/16 households)
FOX: "House" (13.1 million, 7.6/11)
CBS: "How I Met Your Mother" (8.2 million, 5.4/8)/"Accidentally on Purpose" (7.2 million, 4.7/7)
NBC: "Heroes" (5.4 million, 3.3/5)
The CW: "One Tree Hill" (2.2 million, 1.5/2)
18-49 leader: "House" (5.1)
9 p.m.
ABC: "Dancing with the Stars" (18.5 million, 11.8/17)
CBS: "Two and a Half Men" (13.1 million, 8.3/12)/"The Big Bang Theory" (12.2 million, 7.7/11)
FOX: "Lie to Me" (8.1 million, 4.7/7)
NBC: "Trauma" (5.5 million, 3.6/5)
The CW: "Gossip Girl" (2.1 million, 1.5/2)
18-49 leader: "The Big Bang Theory" (4.5)
10 p.m.
CBS: "CSI: Miami" (13 million, 8.5/14)
ABC: "Castle" (11.6 million, 7.5/12)
NBC: "The Jay Leno Show" (4.3 million, 2.9/5)
18-49 leader: "CSI: Miami" (3.9)
Ratings information includes live and same-day DVR viewing. All numbers are preliminary and subject to change.
Nielsen Television (TV) Ratings for Cable
Top 20 Cable Series
Week ending October 4, 2009
1 NFL REGULAR SEASON L (PANTHERS/COWBOYS) ESPN MONDAY 8:30 PM (15,705,000)
2 SUITE LIFE ON DECK DSNY FRIDAY 8:00 PM (6,808,000)
3 THE ULTIMATE FIGHTER SPIKE WEDNESDAY 10:00 PM (5,306,000)
4 SPORTSCENTER: L ESPN MONDAY 11:37 PM (4,119,000)
5 SUITE LIFE ON DECK DSNY FRIDAY 7:30 PM (4,817,000)
6 SPONGEBOB NICK SATURDAY 9:30 AM (4,129,000)
7 ICARLY NICK SATURDAY 8:00 PM (4,388,000)
8 WWE ENTERTAINMENT (WWE RAW) USA MONDAY 10:00 PM (4,586,000)
9 SPONGEBOB NICK SUNDAY 9:30 AM (4,147,000)
10 WWE ENTERTAINMENT (WWE RAW) USA MONDAY 9:00 PM (4,413,000)
11 SPONGEBOB NICK SATURDAY 9:00 AM (3,796,000)
12 PENGUINS OF MADAGASCAR NICK SATURDAY 10:00 AM (3,720,000)
13 SPONGEBOB NICK SUNDAY 9:00 AM (3,735,000)
14 HANNAH MONTANA DSNY FRIDAY 9:00 PM (4,137,000)
15 SONS OF ANARCHY FX TUESDAY 10:00 PM (3,763,000)
16 THE OREILLY FACTOR FOXNC WEDNESDAY 8:00 PM (3,561,000)
17 SUITE LIFE ON DECK DSNY FRIDAY 7:00 PM (3,674,000)
18 THE OREILLY FACTOR FOXNC TUESDAY 8:00 PM (3,527,000)
19 ARMY WIVES LIF SUNDAY 10:00 PM (3,331,000)
20 MONDAY NIGHT COUNTDOWN L ESPN MONDAY 7:00 PM (3,246,000)
Leckomaniac wrote:And SUITE LIFE ON DECK!
Seriously, it is no wonder the head of Disney Channel got himself bumped up to the top spot at Disney. That channel has been a hit machine.
Leckomaniac wrote:Holy crapolla who found this thread?
Damn, and I posted in it a lot.
Ribbons wrote:I blame Herc.
Also this thread is probably going to depress the hell out of me as I watch scripted television slide further and further into oblivion
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One of the biggest winners in the first officially measured week of the 2009-10 may be ... "Manana Es Para Siempre."
The telenovela's Wednesday-night broadcast on Univision last week drew 6.28 million viewers, making it the 58th most-watched show of the week. What's more notable, though, is the list of shows "Manana" (translation: "Tomorrow Is Forever") beat: The Wednesday show finished ahead of such English-language shows as "Law & Order" (6.25 million), "Fringe" (5.73 million) and three of the five "Jay Leno Show" telecasts.
\Fast National ratings for Tuesday, Oct. 6, 2009
The audience for "NCIS: Los Angeles" fell off a little bit Tuesday, which allowed "The Biggest Loser" to move ahead of it in the adults 18-49 demographic. In total viewers, though, it and the rest of CBS' lineup still dominated the night.
CBS averaged about 16.5 million viewers and a 10.4 rating/17 share for the night, nearly doubling the viewer total for second-place ABC (8.3 million, 5.6/9). NBC (8.1 million, 5.0/8) came in third. FOX was fourth with 6.4 million viewers and a 3.7/6, and The CW, per usual, was back of the pack with 1.9 million viewers and a 1.4/2.
CBS also led the 18-49 demo with a 3.6 rating, holding off NBC's 3.1. FOX, 2.8, took third in the demographic advertisers love, followed by ABC at 2.0 and The CW at 1.0.
Tuesday night hour by hour:
8 p.m.
CBS: "NCIS" (19.8 million viewers, 12.2/19 households)
NBC: "The Biggest Loser" (8.6 million, 5.2/8)
FOX: "Hell's Kitchen" (7.3 million, 4.1/7)
ABC: "Shark Tank" (5.4 million, 3.6/6)
The CW: "90210" 2.2 million, 1.6/3)
18-49 leader: "NCIS" (4.2)
9 p.m.
CBS: "NCIS: Los Angeles" (16.1 million, 10.1/16)
ABC: "Dancing with the Stars" results (11.8 million, 7.9/12)
NBC: "The Biggest Loser" (9.6 million, 5.8/9)
FOX: "So You Think You Can Dance" (5.5 million, 3.3/5)
The CW: "Melrose Place" (1.6 million, 1.2/2)
18-49 leader: "The Biggest Loser" (3.9)
10 p.m.
CBS: "The Good Wife" (13.4 million, 8.7/15)
ABC: "The Forgotten" (7.8 million, 5.2/9)
NBC: "The Jay Leno Show" (6.2 million, 4.0/7)
18-49 leader: "The Good Wife" (2.9)
Leckomaniac wrote:Favre's return vs. Packers most watched show in cable TV history
21.8 million people watched it.
Leckomaniac wrote:Probably. I imagine it is cheaper to produce.
Nick wrote:Leckomaniac wrote:Favre's return vs. Packers most watched show in cable TV history
21.8 million people watched it.
It was a great game. And as a Packers fan: Fuck Brett Farve.
Not 100% sure why ABC would dump Monday Night Football to ESPN seeing as it would have probably been higher on broadcast. Is Dancing With The Stars really worth it?
Nick wrote:Leckomaniac wrote:Probably. I imagine it is cheaper to produce.
You can put it on another night and no matter if ESPN pays for it or ABC pays for it the money still comes out of Disney's pocket.
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