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by **tapehead** on Thu Oct 15, 2009 8:50 pm

Terry Gilliam's list from Time Out Website - well, not his list exactly, apparently they interviewed him and discussed cartoons a lot.

What made the top 20;

1. My Neighbour Totoro (1988) Hayao Miyazaki
2. Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937) David Hand
3. The Bugs Bunny/Road Runner Movie (1979) Chuck Jones and Phil Monroe
4. Fantasia (1940)
5. Toy Story (1995) John Lasseter
6. Spirited Away (2001) Hayao Miyazaki
7. Yellow Submarine (1968) George Dunning
8. Belleville Rendez-vouz (2003) Sylvain Chomet
9. South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut (1999) Trey Parker
10. Robin Hood (1973) Wolfgang Reitherman
11. Bambi (1942) David Hand
12. Grave of the Fireflies (1988) Isao Takahata
13. Dumbo (1941) Ben Sharpsteen
14. Gandahar (1988) René Laloux
15. The Iron Giant (1999) Brad Bird
16. Akira (1988) Katsuhiro Ôtomo
17. The Brave Little Toaster (1987) Jerry Rees
18. The Jungle Book (1967) Wolfgang Reitherman
19. When the Wind Blows (1988) Jimmy T Murakami
20. Pinocchio (1940) Hamilton Luske & Ben Sharpsteen

It's a great list with some glaring omissions and more than a couple in there I either didn't like or haven't seen... fucking lists.
GIlliam's rather different Top 10 list from 2001 - admittedly this is more a list of any kind of animation, whereas the new list is mostly about 'Features'

1. The Mascot
2. Pinoccio
3. Red Hot Riding Hood
4. Out of the Inkwell
5. Death Breath
6. Les Jeux des Anges
7. Dimensions of Dialogue
8. Street of Crocodiles
9. Knicknack
10. SouthPark: Bigger, Longer and Uncut

Please add to an existing thread; if there is one, I couldn't recall or find it.

by **The Vicar** on Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:47 pm

Iron Giant is rated too low on one list, and is totally missing from the other. I call shenanigans.
At least none of those miserable Rankin-Bass Lord of the Rings 'toons made either list.

by **BuckyO'harre** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:30 am

Gandahar?
That's... odd.
Though not for Gilliam, I suppose.

The Vicar wrote:At least none of those miserable Rankin-Bass Lord of the Rings 'toons made either list.

You wound me,sir.
Are you sure you don't mean Bakshi's "Rings"?

I probably wouldn't put them on my top twenty, but miserable?
For children's TV specials I think they're damn fine. I mean,sure the stories are cut and compressed to hell, but...
that animation, and the songs. Those voices! John Huston,Hans Conried,Paul Frees,Don Messick,Richard Boone, and so on.
This is one case where the end results are soo entertaining, that I enjoy myself regardless of the many omissions and changes.

by **tapehead** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:36 am

BuckyO'harre wrote: Bakshi's "Rings"?

It's in the list (outside the top 30), but Gilliam makes a point of saying how much he hated it.

by **Pacino86845** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:20 am

My list would have Mononoke on it, and if it's a "Top 10" I'd only have the one Myazaki film... gotta add The Cobbler and the Thief too. For the most part though Gilliam's top 30 looks ok, I'd agree with quite a few of his choices.

by **Fried Gold** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:48 am

I was trying to find the "Top Animated Movies" thread, to compare with own lists...but the search function is still rubs.

Either way, not enough mention of Wings of the Honneamise.

by **Al Shut** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:25 am

I#m most satisfied to see the brave little toaster up there.

Grave of the Fireflies and When the wind blows are the two movies I'LL never watch again in my life (but not because they are bad)

But what the hell is a Gandahar? The only thing here I#ve no clue about whatsoever.

by **Maui** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:23 pm

Very nice to see some love for Les Triplettes de Belleville.

by **BuckyO'harre** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:35 pm

Al Shut wrote:But what the hell is a Gandahar? The only thing here I#ve no clue about whatsoever.

You can watch it on YouTube.

I should warn you there are some naked blue people in it,just in case you're at work.

by **Leckomaniac** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:39 pm

Where, may I ask, is FernGully: The Last Rainforest?

by **BuckyO'harre** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:51 pm

Leckomaniac wrote:Where, may I ask, is FernGully: The Last Rainforest?

Number 41.

Rock and Rule, however, is nowhere to be found.

FAIL.

Pacino86845 wrote:gotta add The Thief and The Cobbler too.

FTFY, and seconded.

by **Maui** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:54 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:My list would have Mononoke on it, and if it's a "Top 10" I'd only have the one Myazaki film

Yeah, alot of people prefer Mononoke to Spirited Away. It's certainly the more violent of the two.

by **Al Shut** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:59 pm

What's more important, it is the more epic one.

by **Maui** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:01 pm

9. Knick Knack

:lol:

We have a thread somewhere deep in the cobwebs of the Zone for favourite Pixar short.

by **Maui** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:03 pm

Al Shut wrote:What's more important, it is the more epic one.

Most definitely!

by **tapehead** on Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:40 pm

Fried Gold wrote:I was trying to find the "Top Animated Movies" thread, to compare with own lists...but the search function is still rubs.

Either way, not enough mention of Wings of the Honneamise.

I could find a 'top 10 animes' and a few similar, but nothing like 'best of all time' or whatever - seems we've had lots of discussion on the subject at times but I couldn't find that thread exactly.

I was happy to see Satoshi Kon's Perfect Blue and Paprika in there, I thought GIlliam's involvement might have gotten something like Urotsukidōji a mention, but sadly no.

by **Al Shut** on Sat Oct 17, 2009 1:13 pm

Fried Gold wrote:Either way, not enough mention of Wings of the Honneamise.

I rewatched that today. Easiely top 20.

by **jenny9878** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 1:30 am

Hey All,
This is Jenny, I found this section very interesting due to my high interest in animattion and cartoons. You all have provided a very nice list of animation movies. I love hindi stories to read and movies also. Newly Hindi animation released movies I just watched Hanuman returns, Krishna and one was on Ramayana. They are very Nice movie. Some funny cartoon I also created while I was working with MAAC at India. These animation movie have very good future and it is in huge demand nowadays. Stay connected.

by **The Vicar** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 9:23 am

BuckyO'harre wrote:
The Vicar wrote:At least none of those miserable Rankin-Bass Lord of the Rings 'toons made either list.

You wound me,sir.
Are you sure you don't mean Bakshi's "Rings"?

You are correct sir. My bad, and apologies to Rankin-Bass.
Oi.

by **minstrel** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:47 pm

The Iron Giant should be higher on the list. Heck, The Iron Giant should be higher on anyone's list of best movies, animated or live-action or whatever. The Iron Giant should be very high on any list of good movies, period.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm a fan of The Iron Giant. And you should be, too. 'Nuff said.

by **Al Shut** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:53 pm

I never understood what people find so good about the Iron Giant. 15 is still way to high

by **Pacino86845** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:56 pm

"Superman"

*weeps uncontrollably*

by **BuckyO'harre** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:58 pm

minstrel wrote:The Iron Giant should be higher on the list. Heck, The Iron Giant should be higher on anyone's list of best movies, animated or live-action or whatever. The Iron Giant should be very high on any list of good movies, period.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm a fan of The Iron Giant. And you should be, too. 'Nuff said.

If you missed it yesterday,Beaks did a piece about the 10th anniversary that you might want to give a peek.

by **Al Shut** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:02 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:"Superman"

*weeps uncontrollably*

That's exactly the comment that makes me go huh? WTF

For some time I was seriously contemplating that everybody was talking about a different movie?

by **Leckomaniac** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:07 pm

Al Shut wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:"Superman"

*weeps uncontrollably*

That's exactly the comment that makes me go huh? WTF

For some time I was seriously contemplating that everybody was talking about a different movie?

Seriously?

Man, the moment he says "Superman" I am reduced to nothing. I absolutely melt. I adore that film.

by **minstrel** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:24 pm

Al Shut wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:"Superman"

*weeps uncontrollably*

That's exactly the comment that makes me go huh? WTF

For some time I was seriously contemplating that everybody was talking about a different movie?

We're talking about The Iron Giant here, Al. Not some other movie you may be confusing it with.
But if you actually HAVE seen The Iron Giant, directed by Brad Bird, and you, as a man, did not cry at the end, then, as much as I love you Al, and think you're a great Zoner, I have to say you have no soul. No heart. No essence ...

I cry my eyes out just thinking about the last scenes of The Iron Giant. Heck, I've got tears in my eyes now as I type this, and I haven't seen the movie in a year! I'm afraid of it, because I know it will reduce me to mush. But there are times when a man must be reduced to mush to discover who he is, so I think I'll put it on the ol' DVD machine later today and bawl again ... I need that every once in a while.

by **Pacino86845** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:27 pm

To be fair Al probably watched a German-dubbed version, and 90% of the charm of Iron Giant is thanks to the voice-acting... funnily enough Vin Diesel is immensely responsible for making the film so compelling (not to take away from the film's multitude other fine aspects)...

"Ich bin ein Uebermensch!!!!" probably doesn't have the same ring to it... :wink:

by **minstrel** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:41 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:To be fair Al probably watched a German-dubbed version, and 90% of the charm of Iron Giant is thanks to the voice-acting... funnily enough Vin Diesel is immensely responsible for making the film so compelling (not to take away from the film's multitude other fine aspects)...

"Ich bin ein Uebermensch!!!!" probably doesn't have the same ring to it...

While this may be true, Al's English is good enough, I think, to watch the original. Come on, Al!

by **The Vicar** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:33 pm

BuckyO'harre wrote:
minstrel wrote:The Iron Giant should be higher on the list. Heck, The Iron Giant should be higher on anyone's list of best movies, animated or live-action or whatever. The Iron Giant should be very high on any list of good movies, period.

In case you haven't noticed, I'm a fan of The Iron Giant. And you should be, too. 'Nuff said.

If you missed it yesterday,Beaks did a piece about the 10th anniversary that you might want to give a peek.

Thanks for that - and I wish like hell IG would get a theatrical re-release.

"Superman....."
( Pacino, Minstrel, Leckomaniac and The Vicar burst into tears)

If you had a soul, you did too.

And as much as I love Pete Townsend, I think Michael Kamen's score for IG was perfect, and some of his finest work.

by **magicmonkey** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:00 pm

All you fans of the Iron Giant should really check out This Flick. I talked about it with Sepp in another thread and it really is teh awesome.

by **Pacino86845** on Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:06 pm

magicmonkey wrote:All you fans of the Iron Giant should really check out This Flick. I talked about it with Sepp in another thread and it really is teh awesome.

Ok, thanks for the tip!!

by **Al Shut** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:28 am

My theory is that perhaps I spill too much of my essence jerking off (not to the Iron Giant of course). Maybe I should stop for a few days and than try to rewatch

by **BuckyO'harre** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:32 pm

magicmonkey wrote:All you fans of the Iron Giant should really check out This Flick. I talked about it with Sepp in another thread and it really is teh awesome.

'Tis.
Halfway through you'll probably be wondering "What the hell does this have to do with the Iron Giant?",but just be patient.

by **Pacino86845** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:40 pm

Al Shut wrote:My theory is that perhaps I spill too much of my essence jerking off (not to the Iron Giant of course). Maybe I should stop for a few days and than try to rewatch

My new theory is a giant robot ran over your dog when you were a kid and consequently you are prejudiced against large pieces of animate metal.

by **Al Shut** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:30 pm

I think you're confusing me with Kirk and Spike Jonze with a giant robot

by **Peven** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:27 pm

BuckyO'harre wrote:
magicmonkey wrote:All you fans of the Iron Giant should really check out This Flick. I talked about it with Sepp in another thread and it really is teh awesome.

'Tis.
Halfway through you'll probably be wondering "What the hell does this have to do with the Iron Giant?",but just be patient.

how about a name instead of just a link?

by **BuckyO'harre** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:46 pm

Peven wrote:
BuckyO'harre wrote:
magicmonkey wrote:All you fans of the Iron Giant should really check out This Flick. I talked about it with Sepp in another thread and it really is teh awesome.

'Tis.
Halfway through you'll probably be wondering "What the hell does this have to do with the Iron Giant?",but just be patient.

how about a name instead of just a link?

The King and The Mockingbird.

by **Peven** on Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:50 pm

thanks

by **The Vicar** on Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:34 am

BuckyO'harre wrote:
Peven wrote:
BuckyO'harre wrote:
magicmonkey wrote:All you fans of the Iron Giant should really check out This Flick. I talked about it with Sepp in another thread and it really is teh awesome.

'Tis.
Halfway through you'll probably be wondering "What the hell does this have to do with the Iron Giant?",but just be patient.

how about a name instead of just a link?

The King and The Mockingbird.

It's about Elvis? Phuk Elvis. Jeezus.

by **BuckyO'harre** on Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:13 am

No no no no.

That's Rock-A-Doodle.

by **Pacino86845** on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:54 am

Hey so I totally watched Le Roi et l'oiseau!!! Thanks a lot for the recommendation folks, though the connection to Iron Giant is only superficial!!! (but very cool nonetheless)

The film is really great though, I couldn't believe my eyes regarding some of the animation, particularly the king and the music box player, incredibly fluid. Funnily though the film also contained some of the worst animation/illustration I"ve seen, namely the part with the lions!

Great recommendation though, only available to watch online for those that are interested, I'm not sure a home video release is even planned at this point. Too bad...

On a related note, has anyone read up on another animated film that's taking forever to complete, The Overcoat?

Here's the only glimpse that's available for this film:

http://www.pbs.org/weta/faceofrussia/timeline/quicktime/overcoat1.html
http://www.pbs.org/weta/faceofrussia/timeline/quicktime/overcoat2.html

If you read about how the dude is making this movie, it's INSANE!! But judging from those two clips the resulting effect is really interesting...

by **Seppuku** on Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:22 pm

OK, I'm kind of pissed 'cause I'm pretty sure MM and I had that conversation in the What Are You Reading thread- but it's no longer there. I can't find it on search either. You don't expect me to formulate the same opinion twice now, do ya?

Feh. It's a good flick, and I think it should be pretty easy to find on Amazon, though there's only a Region 1 version available.

I'll prolly come back with my list later, but all I'll say for now is that Gandahar is in no way Rene Laloux's best movie. It's more of a lumpy fantasy, whereas The Time Masters and especially Fantastic Planet are heavy and heady hard scifi. It's not bad though, and proof positive that cartoons can achieve some pretty cool shit when they're not all hung up on cracking a joke every 30 seconds. I dig a laugh as much as anyone, but it's weird how if a cartoon isn't a straight-up comedy, people (Westerners) immediately lump it in with softcore porn and anime.

Anyway, I'll be back here with a few suggestions later. For now, it's time to go to a halloween party in the laziest costume ever thought of: I'm just gonna wear my clothes backwards.

by **Nachokoolaid** on Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:01 pm

Just because it's not getting a lot of love, I'll go ahead and mention THE INCREDIBLES. One of my faves.

by **Pacino86845** on Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:35 pm

The Incredibles is a fine film, my favorite Pixar film to date, and would certainly end up on my list of best animated films.

by **Al Shut** on Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:20 am

The best thing Brad Bird has done :-P

by **SilentBobX** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:10 pm

Had a few random thoughts firing in the brain what with the dvd release of UP. I was thinking out loud about some of the real possible cinema greatness that could flourish if Pixar flexed its muscles outside the realm of kiddie fare.

To wit:

Bloom County: Imagine, if you will, a smart alecky talking penguin and a motley lot of assorted characters gathered together for one purpose: To elect as president a drooling, catatonic, catnip addicted feline who only speaks in spits and hisses. This doesn't necessarily have to be too deep or too comical, but a balance is a must for this material.

Barry Ween Boy Genius: I've made no secret that I love this comic. It turns the whole 'boy genius' thing assholes over elbows and turns what should be a sweet character into an ubersarcastic, cynical bastard......with the ability to make cool scifi gadgets. The main hurdle would be the language, since he loves to swear and his bestest bud is obsesssed with sextalk and disgusting subject matter. But it's worth the risk. Make this film

Fritz The Cat: A classic of underground animation and the counterculture. If Pixar or any company makes a totally new film based on a modern update of it, it would take balls. Lots of them.

Mahalo

by **Peven** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:15 pm

SilentBobX wrote:
Bloom County: Imagine, if you will, a smart alecky talking penguin and a motley lot of assorted characters gathered together for one purpose: To elect as president a drooling, catatonic, catnip addicted feline who only speaks in spits and hisses. This doesn't necessarily have to be too deep or too comical, but a balance is a must for this material.

i love Bloom County too much to consider just how badly it would probably be hacked and slashed on its way to the big screen. with full disclosure that he is my favorite director working today, but also considering past work and the strong word on his latest flick, which just happens to be animated, i would say that the only director i would feel comfortable adapting Bloom County is......Wes Anderson

by **minstrel** on Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:21 pm

Do not touch Bloom County! Do not touch ANY good comic strip!

Look, the comic strip artform works because it offers just a flash at a time of the lives of the characters involved. We get a glimpse, we get a laugh, and that's all we get. You CANNOT adapt this material to a feature film. I know that Peanuts got adapted to stage musicals and TV specials, but even they weren't very good. They tried to do a Dilbert TV show and it died. This sort of thing JUST DOESN'T WORK. It's the wrong artform!

If they try to make a movie of Bloom County they will soon see the error of their ways. Just don't touch it!

(If they even talk about a feature film of Calvin and Hobbes, then I wish fire and brimstone upon them!)

by **Al Shut** on Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:29 am

I'd say My Neighbours the Yamadas is an example of a good comic strip movie. At least I liked it a lot.

by **tapehead** on Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:05 pm

For the Oscars this year, there are 20 movies currently being considered in the category of Best Animated Feature (apparently there's going to be 10 nominees for best film as well)

AV Club wrote:Alvin And The Chipmunks: The Squeakquel
Astro Boy
Battle For Terra
Cloudy With A Chance of Meatballs
Coraline
Disney’s A Christmas Carol
The Dolphin: Story of A Dreamer
Fantastic Mr. Fox
Ice Age: Dawn Of The Dinosaurs
Mary And Max
The Missing Lynx
Monsters Vs. Aliens
9
Planet 51
Ponyo
The Princess And The Frog
The Secret Of Kells
Tinker Bell And The Lost Treasure
A Town Called Panic
Up

link here

My favourite of these is probably Ponyo, although most of them I haven't seen apart from the 3D titles and Mary & Max (which probably no one else on the Zone has had a chance to watch) - any really good ones amongst the others?? I'mm guessing Alvin and Ice Ageare on the list to wank some studio exec, although they do rake in the cash.