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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Leckomaniac on Tue Jun 18, 2013 5:39 pm

Whoa. this is some bizarre stuff. Marketing is freaky.

If only ZZS were here.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:52 am

Kevin Smith and Ralph Garman discuss MAN OF STEEL.

It's an entertaining way to kill two and a half hours.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby travis-dane on Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:34 am

I loved it, best Superman movie since the firs one and a great way to re-introduce the man to the "modern" audience.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:41 am

Needed more Nuclear Man.

Mark Pillow gotta fucking EAT.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby travis-dane on Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:47 am

caruso_stalker217 wrote:Needed more Nuclear Man.

Mark Pillow gotta fucking EAT.


But Superman had a beard! and Zod had a goatee!
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:51 am

travis-dane wrote:
caruso_stalker217 wrote:Needed more Nuclear Man.

Mark Pillow gotta fucking EAT.


But Superman had a beard! and Zod had a goatee!


They could have thrown a mustache in there. Faora totally could have rocked the 'stache.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL 2

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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Leckomaniac on Fri Jun 21, 2013 10:20 am

I find it really sad that a lot of comic book people whose work was lifted for the MoS film will not be getting compensated.

Mark Waid deserves something. So does Grant Morrison.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Pacino86845 on Fri Jun 21, 2013 12:39 pm

A quick scan through that twitter exchange suggests that the main issue is not so much compensation necessarily, but that Mark Waid would've been happy w/ some amount of story credit, a pair of disposable 3D glasses, and a Cineplex voucher to watch Man of Steel on opening day. As a courtesy, I would think the latter would've been easy to do... it's just that DC didn't think of it.

I watched the movie the other day, and will chime in with more as soon as I un-lazy myself, but my four-word review is: I really liked it!
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby bastard_robo on Sat Jun 22, 2013 7:34 am

Man of Steel is exactly what I wanted from a modern Superman Movie.

I want to see Superman use his powers. I want to see an epic throw down. As far as Origin films go, one of the best.

I've listen to people bitch and bitch about the details. How the final was just mindless video game esq smashing. Yet the same people complained how boring Superman Returns was. What do you want people?

Problem is: People, critics included, apparently don't pay attention to the movies their watching. For the most part, Man of Steel is fairly tight in it's script and getting its point across. And if it didn't hold your hand all the way, why the fuck are you even bothering to watch movies.

I love this film. Everything about it. Every performance, every fight, every moment Henry Cavill is on screen. Loved it.

I've seen it twice now. Took my dad on fathers day who's a big comic book fan. Old school one at that. He turned to me when it was done and simply said "Son. Greatest fucking Superman I've ever seen" my brother, who's very hard on films, loved it was well (good fathers day it was)

I'm putting up there with some of the greats. While I still love Avengers more, Man of Steel is right up there with it.

BTW.. Michael Shannon OWNED as Zod. And Feora was a fucking find. If I was a Warners exec, I'd say I'd found my Wonder Woman.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheButcher on Sun Jun 23, 2013 3:28 am

Leckomaniac wrote:I find it really sad that a lot of comic book people whose work was lifted for the MoS film will not be getting compensated.

Mark Waid deserves something. So does Grant Morrison.

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SPOILER WARNING: Certain plot points of MAN OF STEEL are discussed.

A NOTE OF CLARIFICATION: This blog post explains how professionals are generally compensated for working on company-owned characters, not how contracts work for material owned by creators–that’s a whole ‘nother upcoming post. Onward…


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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheButcher on Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:57 am

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Why You Should Never Write Action Scenes For Your Blockbuster Movie

It's the height of summer movie season, which means that action movies are blowing up all over. And that makes this the perfect time to revisit some advice from John Rogers, creator of Leverage and writer of the new webcomic Arcanum. Here, he explains why you should never write an action scene. Ever.


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Marvel Screenwriter: 'Why Has Destruction Become the Default' in Movies? (Guest Column)
Zack Stentz, who co-wrote "Thor" and "X-Men: First Class," warns that when hit movies keep pummeling cities (and audiences) from Washington, D.C., to London, "the more destruction you see, the more hollow it feels."
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby RogueScribner on Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:29 pm

Both very good commentaries. MoS did dip into destruction porn towards the end. There was little in the way of rising stakes in the Zod fight. Hollow is a good word to describe the experience. I don't care if entire cities are leveled... as long as it means something. The end of the movie didn't really drive home the meaning of what we just spent the past 45 minutes watching. It was all wrapped up a little to quickly and neatly. But people who are into mindless action got plenty of it.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheButcher on Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:18 am

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EXCLUSIVE: Mark Waid Talks MAN OF STEEL Ending - SPOILERS GALORE!
It's the final third - particularly the ending - of Man of Steel that has caused the most controversy, and in this exclusive excerpt from an interview with writer Mark Waid he discusses that ending. Nothing but spoilers follow.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheButcher on Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:51 pm

"BRRRRRRRAAAAAWWWWRWRRRMRMRMMRMRMMMMM!!!"
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Spandau Belly on Mon Aug 19, 2013 1:49 am

L'HOMME DE FER

As some of you may know, I have almost no previous exposure to Superman. I have never seen a Superman tv show, movie, or comic book. I do know a fair bit about the basic mythology and characters because they are referenced so many other places. So like when businessmen run for public office claiming to be untainted by politics, my ignorance is my credential here.

This film starts off on Planet Krypton. It is a futuristic society in which people live in caves and ride wild beasts as transportation in between building spaceships and exploring the galaxy. Rusty Crowe and his wife are having the first natural baby in many generations. Krypton's children are all genetically engineered with a purpose, so a natural birth is considered quite strange and possibly even sacrilege, although nobody in this movie seems to have noticed a pregnant lady. And even though nobody has given natural birth in generations, Crowe and his wife have no trouble ordering a special birthing chair for their cave. Planet Krypton is literally exploding beneath their feet, but Kryptonians are like the band on the Titanic and still proceed with judicial hearings. Even though everybody is genetically engineered with a purpose, and General Zod’s purpose is to protect the lives of Kryptonians, he still murders out of personal spite and a hot temper.

Crowe sends his son, Superman, to Earth in a rocket designed for transporting babies. Crowe also converts his soul into an operating system (it’s like VIRTUOSITY in reverse) that can be used to control spaceships, provide fatherly advice, play MP3’s, and also recap the first twenty minutes of the movie to Superman who missed it because he was just a baby. Crowe doesn’t bother uploading his wife’s soul into the computer because this is his way of getting sole custody or something. He also uses his son as a mule to smuggle all the identities of future Kryptonian babies to be created in the lab because the plot requires Superman to have something of value that the villain will try to take from him.

The film then jumps to Earth several years later. And then back and forth in time. We see Superman as a little boy suffering from attention deficit disorder. His adoptive Earth mother has a cure for ADD, which involves telling Superman to picture whatever he needs to focus on as an island and swim towards it. This imagery comes naturally to somebody raised in Kansas because of all the islands they have there. I mean, look at that shit on a map, it’s practically an archipelago.

Superman’s adoptive Earth father is played by Kevin Costner and is one of many characters to explicitly mention themes that never go anywhere in the film. Almost every line out of Costner’s mouth is about “choice”. But what fucking choice does Superman face in this film? It’s not like he’s really torn between his adoptive race and his native race. It’s not like in BEN-HUR when Judah Ben-Hur is caught between helping an old friend or his peoples. Zod fucking killed Superman’s father, will kill everybody on Earth, and probably kill Superman once he gets the baby name list out of him, so where’s the dilemma here? Costner illustrates the non-dilemma by choosing to walk into a tornado, proving that we do always have a choice, no matter how stupid.

The other character who talks a lot about a theme that never goes anywhere is Lois Lane, a journalist who frequently tags along on classified military operations and serves as a teleporting love interest for Superman. She talks a lot about what it would do to mankind to learn that there is alien life and more powerful beings, which is something else we never see happen in this film. We don’t see people reacting to the existence of Superman. We don’t see people reconsidering their religious beliefs. We mostly just see them running from falling debris. The existence of alien life doesn’t impact them on a psychological or philosophical level, it impacts them on a physical level when one alien punches another alien through whatever building they happen to be in.

The punching is all pretty entertaining. I liked that Snyder ditched his slowmo fetish for this film and just showed how fast these aliens can move by showing it in real time. The climax of this film is pretty good. Seeing Superman and Zod and Zod’s sexy German girlfriend all whizzing around punching each other was very entertaining. But of course, they also clutter it up with other dumb shit. I guess they felt that three light-speed flying aliens punching each other through every type of building and vehicle possible wasn’t entertaining enough. The part where Supes is getting tentacle-raped by that terraforming robot was pretty typical of action scenes in superhero movies where two things are clashing but I have no real idea how powerful the one thing is in relation to the other so I just don’t relate to the action at all. I mean, Supes, made some grunts, so I guess that tentacle-rape robot was strong, but whatever.

They also keep trying to find things for Lois Lane to do in this movie besides fall and be caught, so they have her use Rusty Crowe 2.0 to hack her way out of Zod’s ship, and then they have her ride along in a military airplane on a suicide mission so that she can press a button on a bomb. As far as I can tell, this film is set in some sort of dystopian future in which American no longer has a president, or at least he never seems to be mentioned, and the military just do whatever the fuck they feel like. They want to shoot at aliens, they do it! They want to bring journalists along to arm alien bombs in flight over New York, they do it!

This is Zac Snyder's worst film. I have enjoyed all of Snyder's films, and he's probably the main reason I chose to see this. This is the kind of shit I expect from J.J. Abrams. Rushed, mangled, pandering storytelling. No attention to atmosphere. Ugly shakeycam action. I liked the guy playing Superman, I thought he brought an earnest and fuckable charm to the role. I liked all of the punching at the end but felt the climax was bloated out with other dumb shit like Lois Lane on the bomber, the tentacle rape, and that stupid chick caught under the rubble. I can’t say that I had a terrible time. This film is pretty par for the course as far superhero movies goes. But it definitely didn’t leave me wanting to see more of this or wondering where the story would go in a sequel.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:18 am

Lois Lane is basically playing Matthew McConaughey in CONTACT. With tits.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby so sorry on Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:41 am

caruso_stalker217 wrote:Lois Lane is basically playing Matthew McConaughey in CONTACT. With tits.



And not as hot.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Ribbons on Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:20 pm

I think Man of Steel is both better than some people give it credit for and worse than some people give it credit for. I don't know how much energy I have to break it down, but as someone who has seen at least a few Superman movies, I think Goyer's approach to treating the character and the world seriously can't be overestimated. The last time Zod showed up, the only reason he couldn't be beaten was because Superman gave up his powers, for love or something, it doesn't matter shut up. So for there to be a credible threat for once -- with advantages and disadvantages that were more or less logical -- is no small feat. A caveat about this: I read several interviews where Goyer and Snyder bragged about their steadfast refusal to use or even utter the word 'kryptonite' in their script. No; instead they had the super-magical Krypton environment-recreating tentacle machine thing. And Superman was able to counteract its effects by... making a fist really hard. See? Different! But I digest. Kryptonian culture was fleshed out well: the castes; the symbols; I even liked the gentically modified vs. natural birth argument, although I think they ultimately lost the thread of whatever point they were trying to make with that particular subplot. The bottom line is that Goyer and Nolan delivered on their promise of a modern update of the character however many years ago: all the reasons for Clark to "become" Superman and wear the goofy clothes that he wears made sense. Of course, there's the seeming catch-22 of a young Clark dressing up as and posing like a superhero in a world where they apparently don't exist. Or maybe they do, and Kryptonians just happen to dress like them and have all their powers. Or maybe Snyder just decided he hadn't bludgeoned us over the head with enough faux-Malickian Americana yet. Whatever.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Spandau Belly on Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:15 am

Oh, and I forgot to mention, I would like to see that actress who plays Faora in a Bond film, please.

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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheBaxter on Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:26 pm

she can be daniel craig's eye double.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby caruso_stalker217 on Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:28 pm

Spandau Belly wrote:Oh, and I forgot to mention, I would like to see that actress who plays Faora in a Bond film, please.

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I agree one hundred and twelve percent.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheButcher on Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:27 pm

'Man of Steel's' Death Toll Is Mythic, According to Zack Snyder
Have a problem with "Man of Steel's" massive destruction? You shouldn't, according to director Zack Snyder, as it's perfectly in keeping with the mythical roots of the character.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby papalazeru on Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:55 am

TheButcher wrote:'Man of Steel's' Death Toll Is Mythic, According to Zack Snyder
Have a problem with "Man of Steel's" massive destruction? You shouldn't, according to director Zack Snyder, as it's perfectly in keeping with the mythical roots of the character.


My god he's talking SloMo shit there.

Someone needs to stop Snyder before he ruins something else.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Peven on Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:58 am

so sorry wrote:
caruso_stalker217 wrote:Lois Lane is basically playing Matthew McConaughey in CONTACT. With tits.



And not as hot.


I always KNEW you secretly wanted to fuck McConaughey :-P
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby tfactor on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:14 am

Peven wrote:
so sorry wrote:
caruso_stalker217 wrote:Lois Lane is basically playing Matthew McConaughey in CONTACT. With tits.



And not as hot.


I always KNEW you secretly wanted to fuck McConaughey :-P

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Also on an unrelated note but to sort of get back to the topic of this thread...






I hope Ben Affleck starts hanging out with THIS Matthew. :o Seriously though, fuck Affleck
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby tfactor on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:29 am

Ribbons wrote:I think Man of Steel is both better than some people give it credit for and worse than some people give it credit for. I don't know how much energy I have to break it down, but as someone who has seen at least a few Superman movies, I think Goyer's approach to treating the character and the world seriously can't be overestimated. The last time Zod showed up, the only reason he couldn't be beaten was because Superman gave up his powers, for love or something, it doesn't matter shut up. So for there to be a credible threat for once -- with advantages and disadvantages that were more or less logical -- is no small feat. A caveat about this: I read several interviews where Goyer and Snyder bragged about their steadfast refusal to use or even utter the word 'kryptonite' in their script. No; instead they had the super-magical Krypton environment-recreating tentacle machine thing. And Superman was able to counteract its effects by... making a fist really hard. See? Different! But I digest. Kryptonian culture was fleshed out well: the castes; the symbols; I even liked the gentically modified vs. natural birth argument, although I think they ultimately lost the thread of whatever point they were trying to make with that particular subplot. The bottom line is that Goyer and Nolan delivered on their promise of a modern update of the character however many years ago: all the reasons for Clark to "become" Superman and wear the goofy clothes that he wears made sense. Of course, there's the seeming catch-22 of a young Clark dressing up as and posing like a superhero in a world where they apparently don't exist. Or maybe they do, and Kryptonians just happen to dress like them and have all their powers. Or maybe Snyder just decided he hadn't bludgeoned us over the head with enough faux-Malickian Americana yet. Whatever.


What he said! Well ... except the part where he doesn't know his ass from Kirk's about the Christopher Reeve movies. :P :P ...sorry buddy, love you.

Come on guys, give Ribbons a break - he wasn't born when those 1st movies were released. He has no idea how mind blowing they were back in the day.

Regardless I still say only Reeves had the character lock that allowed him to pull off BOTH the very humble mild mannered Clark Kent and the badass Superman. But I do hope that I am proven wrong. Honestly I can't wait to see this again and to see the next movie, even with the BenstupidcoattailridingoverratedpieceofcrapactorAfflect news. So yeah...
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheButcher on Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:39 am

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Merrick wrote:David S. Goyer recently spoke to Digital Spy about that controversial MAN OF STEEL sequence in which Superman snaps Zod’s neck.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Lord Voldemoo on Wed Nov 20, 2013 4:27 am

Ok, i finally, finally saw it last night. I know, I'm a bad geek. I just have trouble getting excited about Supes. And this film was no exception.

I'll try not to rehash what everyone has said (though i will). Suffice it to say I generally agree with Rogue's reviews here. I liked the first 2/3 ok. Cavill was fine. Shannon was good. I liked Shannon's Zod. In a perverse way I sympathized with him. He was doing what he was bred to do (more on that in a moment). The last 1/3 was destruction porn on a Transformers scale. And with about the same amount of emotional resonance for me.

I've thought about why that is. And have drawn some comparisons to other movies I've liked in my mind. I'll focus on a few key points for me as opposed to going through the whole narrative. Because I'm admittedly focusing on what I DIDN'T like, I'll key on the last 1/3 of the movie, and note the conclusions I've drawn.

1) Those who feel that the Smallville and Metropolis fights failed in part because Superman didn't attempt to divert the fight to unpopulated areas, divert his attention from the fight itself to save anyone but Lois Lane or a couple of military types, or otherwise mitigate the destruction of blocks and deaths of thousands or a million are RIGHT. This is not in keeping with the character based either on prior canon, or within the narrative of this movie. He was willing to give himself up to the human race (and very possibly Zod) in order to avoid disaster, but he doesn't raise a superpowered finger to save anyone other than Lois. I might be able to understand this to some degree in the Metropolis fight before the Kryptonians get sucked into the black hole, but in the Smallville fight it appeared that Zods troops would have clearly followed him out of town. When Supes and Zod are the only ones left it seemed to me that Supes could have steered things out of the city. Or at least made some attempt to do so. This was both illogical for the character and a missed opportunity to make the killing of Zod more powerful (as Waid, Rogue and Lecko have noted before).

2) Those who feel that destruction of buildings, in and of itself, can be a hollow movie-watching experience are RIGHT. The destruction of Metropolis didn't do much for me. The buildings and the people were just generally inanimate objects that happened to be in the way of superbeings throwing each other around. This is because they were only treated as such. I get it if Zod and his troops don't care about their surroundings. But Supes is supposed to. And his failure to makes their presence irrelevant. This makes their destruction lack impact. Obvious point 1 feeds directly into this point 2. Superman 2 is a vastly overrated film that is ridiculously silly and flawed (both the theatrical and Donner cuts- hang on...yes...I'm agreeing with Peven on this point), but one thing it did exceptionally well was it played on Superman's weakness. The people were not window dressing to be squished because it looked cool. Superman cared for them, at his great cost. They were not window dressing for Zod, Ursa and Non either. They used this advantage. It's hinted at in MOS but never utilized. It's important that Superman care about those around him, not only because that's HOW HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE PERIOD (which I care less about, I don't feel like any character need be set in stone), but also because it makes US care about them, and gives their destruction emotional impact. Without that, it's just cgi.

- so why aren't we bitching about Avengers? They pretty much destroy NY, right? Yes, but there are some differences. First, the fight HAD to be there. The gateway was there. There was no direct vendetta between the protagonist and the antagonist to cause the antagonist to chase the protagonist out of town (except, perhaps, between Loki and Thor, but I don't think Loki would have directed his troops away from NY to chase down the Avengers). Also, we see various Avengers doing things to try to lead the populace from danger (Cap giving orders, Cap and others directly saving citizens, etc). Finally, the goal of the fight was met in Avengers. The goal was to show this crazy group of people operating as a team to combat a threat. It was fun to see them working together. It was fun to see Tony Stark actually sacrificing himself for the greater good. It was fun to see Hulk control his anger and direct it, even for a little while. It was fun to see Cap emerge as leader and others accept him in that role. This is a wordy way of saying that the big, destructive, CGI fight in Avengers had narrative MEANING that was lacking in MOS.

3) Those who feel that Superman snapping Zod's neck destroyed the movie because Superman doesn't kill...ever...are WRONG...mostly. Superman's killing of Zod was a missed opportunity in that it could have been much more powerful, but it wasn't bad because "supes doesn't do that." It was a missed opportunity exactly in the way that Rogue, Lecko and Waid noted...if they had more clearly shown that Supes had no choice, it would have been more powerful and poignant. If they had clearly shown that the cost Supes had incurred in saving the populace made killing Zod at this opportunity Supes' only choice to save the city/world, it would have been more powerful and poignant. If they had (and this is actually what I would have preferred) made it clear that Supes' killing Zod was the only choice because Zod was bred this way...can never change...will never stop....and can never be safely contained, it would have been far more powerful and poignant. They certainly had all the pieces in place to do this. It would have been morally ambiguous. It would have been gutsy. It would have pissed off fans. But the fans are pissed anyway...at least it would have been more interesting than the half-assed, weak sauce coup de grace that we were provided.

-That said, anyone who likes Superman 2 is not allowed to be pissed about killing Zod. Period. Because you can't convince me that we are supposed to believe that Zod and his cronies were magically transported into some holding cell off-camera after they fall (or are thrown, or punched) in the fortress. I know there is footage that Donner shot of them being carted off...but that's not in the theatrical cut, which is supposed to be canon. In the theatrical cut there is 0 indication that they lived through that fall. I just watched the scene. When Ursa falls in particular she screams for like half an hour on the way down. Given how crunchy Zod's hand bones seem to be, I'm not buying that they lived through that. We don't see it (because Superman 2 takes the pussy way out), but I think that the logical assumption that the viewer should make based on the actual film is that Zod, Non and Ursa die at the end...and it's actually a hell of a lot more cold blooded than in MOS. In any film where the hero is anyone but Superman, I don't think it would even be in dispute.

So, while a missed opportunity, you're not allowed to be upset about Zod's death unless you also share at least an equal amount of upset at the end of Superman 2. I hereby declare this to be law.

Sorry, a lot of random thoughts spouted at once. Some of it may be sorta cogent, who knows? A lot of it probably isn't. It's been a long day. :D

In sum: MOS was an average sci-fi/adventure movie, but it failed miserably to achieve what I think could have been a pretty high standard set by the first 1/2 to 2/3 of the film by degenerating into mindless hollywood cgi. (for the record I LIKE hollywood cgi...I just want it to serve some degree of purpose). It lacked emotional resonance because it ignored what were really pretty obvious opportunities for internal conflict for Superman, and turned into a smackdown. Superman Returns was more successful in some ways. 4/10
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

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shut up your miserable fuck.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheBaxter on Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:14 am

SooperPooperScooper wrote:shut up your miserable fuck.


i tried to shut up my miserable fuck, but you still keep posting.
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Postby Peven on Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:23 pm

it would have made for such a better superhero comic movie if they had just talked it out at the end, that would have made more sense and been much more satisfying, because that is how an alien super-powered hero resolves a conflict with a super-powered, hate-filled homicidal zealot bent on genocide with the ability to literally make Earth unlivable human life and determined to do so.... :roll:



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Postby RogueScribner on Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:48 pm

Peven, it amazes me how your rebuttals routinely reference exactly nothing no one said ever. Maybe you wouldn't be so tired from rolling your eyes if you paid better attention. Just sayin'...
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Postby so sorry on Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:05 am

Peven wrote:the smug in here is so bad it is difficult to breathe


:oops: that was me...I ate some obnoxious egotistical Mexican last night.
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Postby TheBaxter on Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:33 am

so sorry wrote:
Peven wrote:the smug in here is so bad it is difficult to breathe


:oops: that was me...I ate some obnoxious egotistical Mexican last night.


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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheBaxter on Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:07 pm

so i finally got around to seeing this turd.i didn't like it very much.

i don't have any special connection or bond or whatever with the superman franchise, to me superman has always been one of the most boring superheroes. i did like the first 2 chris reeves films, and for me chris reeves will always be the ultimate superman (though of all the problems this film had, henry cavill was the least of them; i thought he was actually very good with what little he was given to work with, and could easily see him pulling off a more charming, less angst-ridden superman in a better film). so when superman doesn't really do much saving of people while there is destruction raining all around him, or when he kills zod i wasn't really bothered, he still hasn't really become superman yet so he's got some on-the-job learning to do i spose. i did think it was ironic that batman tells liam neeson that he won't kill him, but he won't save him. superman says fuck that, i'm just gonna go ahead and kill the fucker. it's a clever role reversal that should make that superman vs batman film more interesting when supes turns out to be the one operating in the moral gray area.

i admired zak snyder's restraint in avoiding his trademarked style of slo-mo action shots, and replacing his filming style with one borrowed from the Battlestar Galactica reboot and its shaky-cam/sudden-zoom-ins-and-outs (as well as a good number of their actors. hi there, helo and lt. gaeta), that is when he's not slowing it down and copying terrence malick instead. oh, did i use the words "zak snyder" and restraint in the same sentence? sorry, my bad. i also thought he did a good job of borrowing so heavily from avatar for the opening sequence on krypton. this film establishes zak snyder is a modern master of borrowing stuff. at least he didn't borrow the "superman flies away and lures zod away from a populated area to fight him" part from superman 2, so he avoided that, even if it means destroying half a city instead.

between the over-the-top goofiness of the REAALLY LONG sci-fi krypton opening sequence and the over-the-top endless destruction of the film's end (and by end, i mean 2nd half) i wonder if this film was really meant as kind of a prank or something.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby TheBaxter on Thu Jan 23, 2014 1:09 pm

Leckomaniac wrote:Whoa. this is some bizarre stuff. Marketing is freaky.

If only ZZS were here.


so when jesus said "turn the other cheek" he was really just giving advice on the best way to snap a guy's neck?
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Postby Spandau Belly on Fri Jan 24, 2014 7:55 am

TheBaxter wrote:this film establishes zak snyder is a modern master of borrowing stuff.


I hear he called in Shia LaBeouf to do rewrites on the SUPERMAN VS BATMAN VS EVERY OTHER PROPERTY FOR WHICH WE HAVE THE RIGHTS but the production had to be pushed off a year because LaBeouf is writing the screenplay in the sky in smoke with an airplane.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby tfactor on Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:09 pm

Alright everyone calm down, this movie was awesome. Save some of your disappointment for the next movie

I came as soon as I got the word on the wire about a smack down on this thread. So I brought Whoppers, goobers & popcorn (and a Tazer for that PooperSccoper jerk). Anyway Gentlemen please!... carry on
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Bryan Singer's MAN OF STEEL

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Bryan Singer Would Have Done MAN OF STEEL "A Little Differently"; Reveals Why He Didn't Cast Henry Cavill in SUPERMAN RETURNS
"Yeah. I saw it when it came out," X-Men: Days of Future Past director Bryan Singer told Empire Magazine in their latest issue when asked if he decided to watch Zack Snyder's Man of Steel last summer. "Um...I think Henry Cavill is great. I knew Henry. He and I were friends years ago. Oddly enough, the reason I didn't cast him was because I was making a sequel to Christopher Reeve and I wanted somebody who embodied Reeve more." That man would of course be Brandon Routh, an actor who has surprisingly done very little since playing the iconic DC superhero. Regardless, Singer would then go on to praise the movie, while simultaneously hinting that he would have handled the reboot in a much different way. Could he be referring to the now infamous scene where Superman kills Zod? I am in awe of the world building and the scope of that picture. It's tough for me. I'm not a critic and it starts to get into a weird thing where one director is talking about another director. I know how hard it is to make a movie, especially one of these movies and especially a Superman movie, and there was so much I was impressed with in that movie. There were things I might have done a little differently just because of the way I view the character. Don't misinterpret that as me not liking something. It's not 'Bryan Singer's review of Man Of Steel'!"



Bryan Singer Wishes He Had Rebooted Superman; Wanted 'Darkseid' For RETURNS Sequel
If I could go again, I would do an origin. I would reboot it."

So, that's how the director would change Superman Returns, but what of the sequel that was set to follow the movie? As it turns out, that too was meant to be called Man of Steel ("That was the title. Actually, my buddy, one of my two best friends, came up with that."), while Darkseid would have been the villain. "We did explore it a little. Just hammering out ideas. I think Darkseid was going to be the villain. It was pretty world-destroying, actually." We'll now never know what that movie would have looked like, but why exactly did Singer decide to not make it? "I ended up having the opportunity to go and make Valkyrie, and I think the studio lost interest at that point," he reveals. "I can't say it was all the studio's fault and I can't say it was all my fault. It just fizzled out."
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

Postby Spandau Belly on Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:07 pm

That man would of course be Brandon Routh, an actor who has surprisingly done very little since playing the iconic DC superhero.


Done "very little" has he? I hear he plays squash with George Lazenby at least once a week.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL

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Re: MAN OF STEEL

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David S. Goyer Talks DA VINCI’S DEMONS Season 2, MAN OF STEEL, THE BREACH, and More; Says He’d Love to Do GREEN LANTERN

Steve 'Frosty' Weintraub wrote:11:00 – Says Man of Steel is “pretty close to my original conception and vision and hope for what it would be.”

12:45 – Goyer says he would love to do Green Lantern. He wanted to highlight Krypton as a truly alien world since Superman a science fiction story.
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