Band of Brothers

[Lord Voldemoo]

Just to check am I the only one who was totally underwhelmed by this?

Yes.

I saw it once on TV and it left absolutely no impression on me, I can't even remeber anything of it right now.

Your loss.

Ok, maybe that was harsh, but I really loved this series and I honestly have never heard of anyone who has ever watched the entire series and not left it with some sort of impression.

[militarypuzzles]

One contention though. There was one scene that TOTALLY sucked me out of the immersion that the entire series created, and that was when fucking JIMMY FALLON showed up to butcher some dialog. Who in the fucking right mind thought that was a good decision. FUCK!

[/quote]

Jimmy Fallon was actually playing a member of his real life family if I remember right. That guy who drove up in the jeep and gave easy some AMMO was a member of his extended family.

That's why he pops up for no reason at all. Paying homage to his family

[Doc Holliday]

I always wondered where Fallon was - I saw his name in the credits of one episode and watched for him every episode from that point on and couldn't see him anywhere.

So now I know.

Al - are you being 100% objective? Come on... be honest. Isn't that like me saying "I watched the 1990 World Cup Final and thought it was really dull"

[Fievel]

That's why he pops up for no reason at all. Paying homage to his family

My folks were in the stands at the Michigan State (Spartans) football game when Kubrick's sound crew came in and recorded them shouting "Spartacus! Spartacus!".

I demand airtime.

[Nachokoolaid]

One contention though. There was one scene that TOTALLY sucked me out of the immersion that the entire series created, and that was when fucking JIMMY FALLON showed up to butcher some dialog. Who in the fucking right mind thought that was a good decision. FUCK!

Jimmy Fallon was actually playing a member of his real life family if I remember right. That guy who drove up in the jeep and gave easy some AMMO was a member of his extended family.

That's why he pops up for no reason at all. Paying homage to his family[/quote]

It would have been a better homage to step aside and let a capable actor handle the lines.

[Fievel]

I just read Dick Winters' memoirs- Beyond Band of Brothers: The War Memoirs of Major Dick Winters

Great read. It offered a lot more details into the events and characters during Easy Company's training and time in Europe. I ended up watching the series again after I finished the book. Simply amazing, not that I never thought that before. After that, I ended up doing on an IMDB binge to see what the actors had done since. I was surprised to find that a lot of the actors in Easy company are actually British. I knew Damian Lewis (Winters) was, but there were quite a few more. I was also disappointed to see that hardly any of them have done anything worth mentioning since BoB.

But aside from the mention of Winters' memoirs, here's the real reason I bumped this thread. I decided a while ago that if I ever had a lot of money to burn, I'd love to tour the parts of Europe that Easy Company went to, to put the locations of the stories into a real-life perspective. I was more than happy to find this:
Band Of Brothers Tours

Cheap marketing? I don't think so.
Amazing way to see the locations? Absolutely.
And the saving of money begins......

[Fievel]

Am watching the second episode of this in honor of the 65th anniversary. I tried to watch more today (D-Day) but my meds said a nap was more important after watching the first episode this afternoon.

Eternal thanks to the brave Allied forces for what they did.

Edit - and I still want to take that tour I linked above.

[Lord Voldemoo]

Am watching the second episode of this in honor of the 65th anniversary. I tried to watch more today (D-Day) but my meds said a nap was more important after watching the first episode this afternoon.

Eternal thanks to the brave Allied forces for what they did.

Edit - and I still want to take that tour I linked above.

I missed that last post a while back. I read Beyond Band of Brothers too a couple of years back. It is a really great read. I've been to Normandy but it would be great to take that tour as well.

BoB showed up on HBO On Demand a few weeks ago and I've been watching it off and on since then. I watched "The Breaking Point" today.

holy shit.

Such an amazing series.

As for D-Day, hell, just take what we have seen in:

BoB (people jumping out of perfectly good airplanes at altitudes and wind speeds they hadn't trained for due to the heavy flak and other anti-aircraft fire only to land scattered and usually miles from their designated drop zones, well behind enemy lines and in advance of the landings (not to mention the pathfinders for those planes who jumped in first, usually individually HOURS before the landings))

Saving Private Ryan (Omaha Beach....nuff said)

The Longest Day (Brits flying in unpowered, wooden horsa gliders which inevitably crash land ("land" being charitable in this case), who are then tasked with taking a bridge over which German armor could roll up the entire allied beachhead if they fail and holding it until whenever they are relieved, not to mention the Rangers on the other side of the beach head scaling Pont Du Hoc to take out German artillery. This is a VERTICAL climb (I've seen it) with Germans shooting down at you and lobbing down grenades).

Plus a million other stories from the Day of Days.

Now multiply that horror/fear/tension that we feel just watching the films by maybe a factor of 1000000 to estimate what the men on the ground were actually feeling.

Absolutely mindboggling.

Those guys are my heroes. Not because they were larger than life, because...in point of fact most of them WEREN'T. They were the same Joe Schmoes we are...and they did it anyway. And, moreover, most of them volunteered to be there.

Anyway, as any of you who have discussed this with me before know, I get a little impassioned about this topic. I've studied it a lot and a few of my family members where there (or overhead) So i wont go rambling any more except to say:

thanks guys. And for the Easy Company boys, Currahee!

[The Vicar]

Anyone who hasn't should read Stephen Ambrose's Citizen Soldiers.

[travis-dane]

I've got the Tin Box DVD set of BoB.
Good stuff, good extras and another example for great TV.

[Big Jim]

After watching Saving Private Ryan and The Longest Day on Friday & Saturday, I decided to re-watch Band of Brothers. I intended to simply watch a few episodes; ended up spending yesterday watching the whole thing. I've loved this series since it first aired way back in 2001 and have watched it in full several times. It is still as powerful and emotional as it was the first time I saw it.

Each time I discover something new. I wasn't that familiar with Jimmy Fallon when it first aired and it was after a few viewings that I noticed him (although I had remembered the character since he prompted that great line from Winters "We're Paratroopers, we're supposed to be surrounded"). This time I noticed two actors I hadn't realized were in it: Jason O'Mara (from ABC's Life on Mars) as Lt. Meehan, and Simon Pegg as Sobel's aid (he hands Winters the Court Martial order).

My two complaints about the DVD are, while there are some good features, it does not contain the 2 minute trailer that HBO showed before it aired. Also, there are no commentaries; with all the actors, writers, directors, and veterans involved with this series, they could have had such great commentaries for every episode.

Were there any deleted scenes? Since HBO didn't seem to restrict each episode's running time I'm guessing nothing got cut due to time. But was anything cut due to pacing? The original idea was to have 12 parts - anyone know how far along in production they were before it was cut to 10? What stories they would have covered had they had 2 more episodes? These are the sort of things one might reveal in a commentary, but we didn't get any.

p.s. Don't know why it says "gaffneyed" above. I wrote "d e l e t e d" (without the spaces) but it shows that word instead. Is it some kind of Zone inside joke?

[so sorry]

After watching Saving Private Ryan and The Longest Day on Friday & Saturday, I decided to re-watch Band of Brothers. I intended to simply watch a few episodes; ended up spending yesterday watching the whole thing. I've loved this series since it first aired way back in 2001 and have watched it in full several times. It is still as powerful and emotional as it was the first time I saw it.

Excellent way to celebrate/honor D-Day.

I know this is a terrible excuse, but I have yet to find the time to watch Band of Brothers despite the fact that I've owned the DVDs for about 2 years now.

p.s. Don't know why it says "gaffneyed" above. I wrote "d e l e t e d" (without the spaces) but it shows that word instead. Is it some kind of Zone inside joke?

Yes, its a silly-ism in the Zone (you'll find there are a handful of words that have automatic word-replacements.

[Fievel]

p.s. Don't know why it says "gaffneyed" above. I wrote "d e l e t e d" (without the spaces) but it shows that word instead. Is it some kind of Zone inside joke?

Yes.

Regarding O'Mara, I'm not that familiar with the US version of Life on Mars, but I'll have to look for that. Pegg has a couple of small scenes. He's also in there when Sobel is checking the barracks and finds "pornography", condoms, and peaches... err, I mean "United States Government Property."

I think the interviews with the vets takes away any need for commentary from them. And the basic training home movie serves as a great way to introduce the actors themselves.

So Sorry - who commented before I finished typing ........ you've owned the discs for two years but have NOT seen the series yet!?!?!?!?

Shame.

3 miles up, 3 miles down for you soldier!!!!!

[so sorry]

[So Sorry - who commented before I finished typing ........ you've owned the discs for two years but have NOT seen the series yet!?!?!?!?

Shame.

3 miles up, 3 miles down for you soldier!!!!!

Seriously. And I am a huge WWII movie fan, so I have no excuse at all.

[Big Jim]

its a silly-ism in the Zone (you'll find there are a handful of words that have automatic word-replacements.

Thanks, good to know. I believe I have come across this before, reading a post with a gibberish word and thinking it must be slang I am not familiar with.

I know this is a terrible excuse, but I have yet to find the time to watch Band of Brothers despite the fact that I've owned the DVDs for about 2 years now.

Have you simply not watched the DVD, or not seen the series at all? Either way, the TV season is done. All you need is roughly one hour a day for 10 days. Enjoy!

Pegg has a couple of small scenes. He's also in there when Sobel is checking the barracks and finds "pornography", condoms, and peaches... err, I mean "United States Government Property."

I noticed him in that scene and thought "hang on, is that..." but wasn't 100% sure it was him. It was only in the later scene when he spoke that I was certain.

I think the interviews with the vets takes away any need for commentary from them. And the basic training home movie serves as a great way to introduce the actors themselves.

I believe the new Blu-ray version has episode commentaries by the veterans. Don't know how much is an extension of the interviews and how much is commenting on the show itself ("I was on-set that day", "we discussed how he should play this scene", "that's not quite how it happened", etc). It's the behind-the-scenes, making-of discussions among the writer, director, a couple of actors and maybe a couple of veterans (their take on the series itself) that I thought would be very interesting to hear.

I liked Livingston's home movies but was disappointed it only covered basic training. On first watching it I expected the segments to cover many, or all, of the episodes as well. Still, I've watched it a few times as it is very funny.

[Fried Gold]

I personally think the series stands up on its own without the need for any commentaries.

[Pacino86845]

So I've finally begun watching Band of Brothers, three parts in so far and loving every second. My aversion to the series all these years was due to my disdain for Saving Private Ryan... but Band of Brothers has the best elements of Ryan, without all the sappy eye-roll-inducing BS, and instead authentic-feeling character moments. And holy crappa I thought HBO productions were impressive before, but this is just an incredibly long feature film, what an experience!

[Fievel]

So I've finally begun watching Band of Brothers, three parts in so far and loving every second. My aversion to the series all these years was due to my disdain for Saving Private Ryan... but Band of Brothers has the best elements of Ryan, without all the sappy eye-roll-inducing BS, and instead authentic-feeling character moments. And holy crappa I thought HBO productions were impressive before, but this is just an incredibly long feature film, what an experience!

Glad to see a fresh first time review of this after 8 years!
I believe the BoB fans here will expect your full report upon completion.
Enjoy!!!

[Fievel]

Darrell "Shifty" Powers, RIP

It's really sad to realize that the remaining few of these guys are going to be gone within the next ten years or so.

[Lord Voldemoo]

Darrell "Shifty" Powers, RIP

It's really sad to realize that the remaining few of these guys are going to be gone within the next ten years or so.

[The Vicar]

Darrell "Shifty" Powers, RIP

It's really sad to realize that the remaining few of these guys are going to be gone within the next ten years or so.

A great article for a great man. A honest to Christ hero.

[Fievel]

After doing some light research, I'm a little bummed to find out that the "article" is really an e-mail that has been making the rounds.
I checked snopes.com (which is great for busting or confirming Internet myths) and they don't have an answer for it.

If the guy's airport/airplane story is true, I wish he would have given his name to give the story some validity.

Regardless, anyone that's watched the series and paid close attention to the things said in those interviews KNOWS that those men are type of people everyone should wish they could be like.

[Fried Gold]

So...I met the real Buck Compton and Donald Malarkey on Tuesday night.

[Nachokoolaid]

Darrell "Shifty" Powers, RIP

It's really sad to realize that the remaining few of these guys are going to be gone within the next ten years or so.

Me too, man. It got me.

So...I met the real Buck Compton and Donald Malarkey on Tuesday night.

AND???!!?!?!

[Fried Gold]

So...I met the real Buck Compton and Donald Malarkey on Tuesday night.

AND???!!?!?!

...they unveiled a plaque.

[so sorry]

[So Sorry - who commented before I finished typing ........ you've owned the discs for two years but have NOT seen the series yet!?!?!?!?

Shame.

3 miles up, 3 miles down for you soldier!!!!!

Seriously. And I am a huge WWII movie fan, so I have no excuse at all.

This small exchange was from 2009, and here I sit almost 11 years later, and i JUST binge watched BoB for the first time.

Tough to watch, exciting to watch, glad I watched. These men... wow.

[Fievel]

Those must have been some dusty discs!!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it.

I'm thinking about waking up my oldest (12yrs) at like 5am on June 6 and binging the whole series - perhaps with the opening of Saving Private Ryan thrown in for good measure.

[Peven]

[So Sorry - who commented before I finished typing ........ you've owned the discs for two years but have NOT seen the series yet!?!?!?!?

Shame.

3 miles up, 3 miles down for you soldier!!!!!

Seriously. And I am a huge WWII movie fan, so I have no excuse at all.

This small exchange was from 2009, and here I sit almost 11 years later, and i JUST binge watched BoB for the first time.

Tough to watch, exciting to watch, glad I watched. These men... wow.

yeah, just don't forget, those are the men who resisted civil rights reform, supported segregation, served in a time when Black soldiers were not treated as well as Nazi POWs. just make sure you keep some perspective on the guys who were more than willing to let Hitler round up and slaughter Jews, to turn away ships of Jewish refugees trying to escape that slaughter, watched Hitler conquer Europe and bomb and attempt to invade the UK and dismissed FDR's pleas for action by the American people, and they couldn't care less when Japan invaded the Chinese mainland and literally raped entire cities of women and girls and slaughtering all the males.

the ONLY reason they decided to support the US getting into the war was when some of our warships were attacked. by Japan

perspective. greatest generation my ass

[Fievel]

And just like that, Peven blamed the men of E Company, 2nd Battalion of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division, for every atrocity of WWII.
Here are the Members of Easy Company, whose graves you just pissed all over:

Officers of the 101st "Easy Company":
Colonel Clarence Hester (Made Battalion S-3, later made commander of 2nd Battalion)
Major Richard "Dick" Winter (Third commander of Easy; later made 1st Battalion commander)
Captain Lewis Nixon (Made Battalion S-2)
Captain Ronald C. Speirs (Initially in D Company, absorbed into Easy, later became the fifth commander of Easy)
Captain Herbert Sobel (Trainer and first commander of Easy; later transferred, and then moved to Battalion S-4)
1st Lieutenant Harry F. Welsh (Transferred to Headquarters company)
1st Lieutenant Lynn D. Compton (Evacuated because of "severe case of trench foot", actually shell-shock)
1st Lieutenant Robert B. Brewer
1st Lieutenant Thomas Meehan III (Second commander of Easy, KIA 6 June 1944)
1st Lieutenant Robert H. Cowing
1st Lieutenant James K. Davis
1st Lieutenant Norman S. Dike, Jr. (Fourth commander of Easy, transferred to Division headquarters after being relieved of command due to shell-shock in combat)
1st Lieutenant Jack E. Foley (Evacuated after wrist wound infection)
1st Lieutenant Roy Paul Gates
1st Lieutenant Frederick T. Heyliger (Severely wounded in shoulders & thigh from friendly fire)
1st Lieutenant Sterling W. Horner
1st Lieutenant Richard M. Hughes II
1st Lieutenant George Lavenson (Transferred to Battalion HQ)
1st Lieutenant C. Carwood Lipton
1st Lieutenant Salve H. Matheson (Made Regimental S-4)
1st Lieutenant Robert I. Matthews (KIA 6 June 1944)
1st Lieutenant Walter L. Moore (Transferred to Pathfinders)
1st Lieutenant Francis L. O'Brien (KIA December 1944)
1st Lieutenant Thomas A. Peacock
1st Lieutenant Ben M. Perkins
1st Lieutenant John E. Pisancin
1st Lieutenant Warren R. Rousch
1st Lieutenant Raymond G. Schmitz (KIA 22 September 1944)
1st Lieutenant Edward D. Shames
1st Lieutenant JB Stokes
1st Lieutenant Patrick J. Sweeney
1st Lieutenant Henry Jones (Transferred to Battalion HQ, Died in Germany 21 July 1947)
2nd Lieutenant Archibald Smith Barnwell
2nd Lieutenant James L. Diel (KIA 19 September 1944)
2nd Lieutenant Charles A. Hudson (Wounded)
2nd Lieutenant Charles R. Rexrod

Enlisted men:
1st Sergeant William S. Evans (KIA 6 June 1944)
Technical Sergeant Lloyd I. Simpson (MIA 9 June 1944)
Technical Sergeant Burton P. Christenson
Technical Sergeant Donald G. Malarkey (Briefly 1st Sergeant at wars end)
Technical Sergeant Senner T. Tegelrets (Exiled from the US Armed Forces, Deceased 3 September 2003)
Technical Sergeant Amos J. Taylor
Staff Sergeant Floyd M. Talbert (1st Sergeant after Lipton)
Staff Sergeant Mark I. Maunat (Transferred to US Marines to the Pacific, KIA September 19, 1944)
Staff Sergeant Will A. Obby (MIA 2 June 1944)
Staff Sergeant Norman A. Ford
Staff Sergeant John R. Chief (MIA 5 June 1945)
Staff Sergeant Charles E. Grant (Severely wounded in head)
Staff Sergeant William J. Guarnere (Leg mangled, amputated)
Staff Sergeant Earl L. Hale
Staff Sergeant Steven A. Kudla
Staff Sergeant Albert L. Mampre
Staff Sergeant John W. Martin
Staff Sergeant Leo J. Matz
Staff Sergeant Darrell C. Powers
Staff Sergeant Murray B. Roberts (KIA 6 June 1944)
Staff Sergeant Frank J. Soboleski
Staff Sergeant Joseph J. Toye (Leg blown off)
Staff Sergeant Robert T. Smith
Staff Sergeant Joseph E. Stedman
Staff Sergeant Joseph P. Whitecavage
Staff Sergeant Earl E. McClung
Staff Sergeant Robert K. Marsh
Sergeant James H. Alley, Jr.
Sergeant Roderick Bain
Sergeant Paul L. Becker
Sergeant Leo D. Boyle (Severely wounded in thigh)
Sergeant Gordon F. Carson
Sergeant James Monroe "Tex" Combs, Jr.
Sergeant Bernard S. Cunningham
Sergeant Lloyd D. Guy
Sergeant Taskel Ellis
Sergeant Hanes
Sergeant Herman E. Hanson
Sergeant Hayden
Sergeant Haynes
Sergeant J.D. Henderson
Sergeant Walter L. Hendrix
Sergeant Sherman M. Irish
Sergeant William F. Kiehn (KIA 10 February 1945)
Sergeant Clancy Odel Lyall
Sergeant John C. Lynch
Sergeant Robert A. Mann
Sergeant Thomas A. McCreary
Sergeant Kenneth D. Mercier
Sergeant Harvey H. Morehead
Sergeant Warren H. Muck, (KIA 10 January 1945)
Sergeant Elmer L. Murray, Jr. (KIA 6 June 1944)
Sergeant Richard E. Owen (KIA 6 June 1944)
Sergeant Robert J. Rader
Sergeant Denver Randleman
Sergeant Robert B. Smith
Sergeant Myron Ranney (Severely wounded in shin)
Sergeant Carl N. Riggs (KIA 6 June 1944)
Sergeant Paul C. Rogers
Sergeant James B. Sholty
Sergeant Wayne A. Sisk
Sergeant Roderick G. Strohl
Sergeant Clarence M. Tridle
Sergeant Richard M. Wright
Sergeant Robert E. Wynn
Sergeant Arthur C. Youman
Technician 4th Grade George Luz, Sr.
Technician 4th Grade Frank J. Perconte
Technician 4th Grade Charles E. Rhinehart
Technician 4th grade Eugene Roe, Sr.
Technician 4th Grade Richard C. Rowles
Technician 4th Grade Carl C. Sawosko (KIA 13 January 1945)
Technician 4th Grade Benjamin J. Stoney (KIA 6 June 1944)
Corporal Kenneth T. Baldwin
Corporal Antoine P. Bostons
Corporal Sextron I. Dickers
Corporal James V. Benton
Corporal James D. Campbell (KIA 8 October 1944)
Corporal William Dukeman, Jr. (KIA 5 October 1944)
Corporal John P. Fieguth
Corporal Walter S. Gordon, Jr. (Severely wounded in back, paralyzed)
Corporal Forrest L. Guth
Corporal George Higgins
Corporal A.P. Herron (KIA 13 January 1945)
Corporal Donald B. Hoobler (KIA 3 January 1945)
Corporal Donald L. King
Corporal Thomas Maitland
Corporal Francis J. Mellet (KIA 13 January 1945)
Corporal Stanley F. Motowski
Corporal Lavon P. Reese
Corporal Harvey G. Robinson
Corporal Edward H. Stein
Technician 5th Grade Leopollo P. Carillo
Technician 5th Grade Herman F. Collins (KIA 6 June 1944)
Technician 5th Grade William A. Howell
Technician 5th Grade Joseph D. Liebgott
Technician 5th Grade John G. Mayer
Technician 5th Grade William C. Maynard
Technician 5th Grade John McGrath
Technician 5th Grade Leslie R. Pace
Technician 5th Grade Campbell T. Smith
Technician 5th Grade Ralph I. Stafford
Technician 5th Grade William H. Wagner
Technician 5th Grade Jerry A. Wentzel (KIA 6 June 1944)
Technician 5th Grade Ralph H. Wimer (KIA 6 June 1944)
Technician 5th Grade Antonio C. Garcia
Private First Class Aldrich
Private First Class Raymond L. Ballew
Private First Class Conrad M. Bay
Private First Class Salvatore F. Bellino
Private First Class Edward J. Bernat
Private First Class Burden
Private First Class Thomas H. Burgess (Severely wounded in throat)
Private First Class Matthew J. Carlino
Private First Class Maxwell M. Clark
Private First Class Vincent S. Collette
Private First Class Seth O. Crosby
Private First Class Richard P. Davenport
Private First Class Edward J. Donahue
Private First Class Carl F. Eckstrom
Private First Class Carl J. Fenstermaker
Private First Class Fernandez
Private First Class Gerald L. Flurie
Private First Class Richard R. Garrod
Private First Class John E. Gathings
Private First Class Jack O. Ginn
Private First Class Walter E. Hanson
Private First Class Siles E. Harrelson
Private First Class Dale L. Hartley
Private First Class Edward J. Heffron
Private First Class Elwood Hertzog
Private First Class Hickman
Private First Class Joseph E. Hogan
Private First Class Walter G. Howard
Private First Class Clarence S. Howell
Private First Class Hudson
Private First Class Warren C. Huntley
Private First Class Eugene E. Ivie
Private First Class Coburn M. Johnson
Private First Class George E. Jones
Private First Class Robert Van Klinken (KIA 20 September 1944)
Private First Class Kohler
Private First Class Harry R. Lager
Private First Class Robert T. Leonard
Private First Class Quinton E. Lindler
Private First Class Dewitt Lowrey
Private First Class Arthur J. Mauzerall
Private First Class John McBreen
Private First Class Walter L. McKay
Private First Class James A. McMahon
Private First Class William E. Medved
Private First Class William T. Miller (KIA 20 September 1944)
Private First Class David E. Morris
Private First Class Norman W. Neitzke
Private First Class Henry E. Nelson
Private First Class Ralph J. Orth (Wounded in kneecap by bullet fragment)
Private First Class Alex M. Penkala Jr. (KIA 10 January 1945)
Private First Class Edwin E. Pepping
Private First Class Farris O. Rice
Private First Class Woodrow W. Robbins
Private First Class John W. Rossman
Private First Class Edward F. Sabo
Private First Class Elmer N. Schuyler
Private First Class John L. Sheehy
Private First Class John P. Sheeley
Private First Class Garland R. Smith
Private First Class Gerald R. Snider
Private First Class Paul J. Sullivan
Private First Class Edward J. Tipper (Severely wounded in face, legs)
Private First Class Felix J. Tokarzewski
Private First Class Ralph J. Trapuzzano
Private First Class Andrew Uuban
Private First Class Alexander Vittorre
Private First Class Paul Wagner
Private First Class David Kenyon Webster
Private First Class James W. Welling
Private First Class Daniel B. West
Private First Class Melvin O. Winn
Private First Class William H. Woodcock
Private First Class George F. Yochum
Private First Class Frank J. Zastawniak
Private First Class Henry C. Zimmerman
Private First Class John A. Janovec (Died in car accident, May 1945)
Private First Class John T. Julian (KIA 1 January 1945)
Private Owen L. Andrews
Private Kieth Ansell
Private Harvey Baker
Private Frederick C. Bealke, Jr.
Private Richard F. Berg
Private Homer T. Blake
Private Albert Blithe (Severely wounded in shoulder)
Private Robert J. Bloser (KIA 7 June 1944)
Private Donald S. Bond
Private Richard L. Bray
Private Charles P. Broska
Private Earl V. Bruce
Private John J. Capoferri
Private Ora M. Childers
Private Chow
Private Robert T. Cipriano
Private Roy W. Cobb (Court-martialed; insubordination and assault on Lt. Foley)
Private James F. Coleman
Private James Comba
Private John G. Connell
Private Conway
Private Philip Coviello
Private Samuel M. Cowthu
Private Cushman
Private Damon
Private Barry J. Dassault
Private Edward R. De Tuncq
Private Jay S. Dickerson
Private William Dillinger (Transferred)
Private Rudolph Dittrich (Died in practice jump, 20 May 1944)
Private John Doe
Private Joseph Dominquez
Private Walter F. Eggert
Private George Elliot (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Chester R. Eschenbach
Private John L. Eubanks
Private Bradford C. Freeman
Private John L. Geraghty
Private William D. Gier
Private Terry G. Giles
Private Eugene S. Gilmore
Private Milton B. Glass
Private Frank B. Grant
Private Everett J. Gray (KIA 8 June 1944)
Private Genoa H. Griffith
Private Stephen E. Grodski
Private Stanley L. Hagerman
Private Franklin W. Hale
Private Elwood Hargroves
Private Thomas A. Harrel
Private Terrence C. Harris (Transferred to Pathfinders)(KIA 18 June 1944)
Private George B. Hartsuff
Private Lester A. Hashey (Severely wounded in the back)
Private Verlin V. Hawkins
Private Harold G. Hayes (KIA December 1944)
Private Cyril B. Heckler
Private Robert B. Hensley
Private George W. Hewitt
Private Paul A. Hite
Private Owen E. Holbrook
Private John R. Holland
Private David L. Holton
Private Bruce A. Hudgens
Private Richard J. Hughes (KIA 9 January 1945)
Private Charles F. Hussion
Private Eugene E. Jackson (KIA 15 February 1945)
Private Robert Jarrett
Private Edward J. Joint
Private Joseph M. Jordan (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Vernon Jordan
Private John R. Korb
Private William N. Kratzer
Private Paul E. Lamoureux
Private Lewis Lampos
Private Joseph A. Lesniewski (Evacuated from leg-wound infection)
Private Philip E. Longo
Private John Lusty
Private A. Mahmood
Private Walter E. Martin
Private Michael V. Massaconi
Private Jack F. Matthews
Private Edward A. Mauser
Private Robert Maxwell
Private Carl F. McCauley
Private McDonald (Transferred)
Private William T. McGonigal (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Joachim Melo
Private Ynez M. Mendoza
Private Vernon J. Menze (KIA 20 September 1944)
Private Max M. Meth
Private Elmer T. Meth
Private William S. Metzler (KIA June 1944)
Private James W. Miller (KIA 20 September 1944)
Private John N. Miller (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Franklin Milo
Private Elmer J. Minne
Private Alfred B. Montes
Private Donald J. Moone
Private Alton More
Private William E. Morris
Private Sergio G. Moya (KIA June 6, 1944)
Private Gordon L. Nevenfeldt
Private Patrick H. Neill (KIA 13 January 1945)
Private Marshall C. Oliver
Private Ernest I. Oates (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Patrick S. O'Keefe
Private Gordon H. Oien
Private Cecil M. Pace
Private Parkes (Transferred)
Private Philip P. Perugini
Private Cleveland O. Petty
Private Roy E. Pickel, Sr.
Private David R. Pierce
Private John Plesha Jr.
Private George L. Potter
Private Charles W. Pyle
Private Alex R. Raczkowski
Private George J. Rajner (KIA July 1944)
Private Joseph Ramirez
Private Gregory C. Rotella
Private James Sarago
Private William D. Serila
Private John E. Shindell (KIA 13 January 1945)
Private Urban M. Shirley
Private George H. Smith, Jr.
Private Gerald B. Snider (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private James L. Sowell
Private Ralph F. Spina
Private Tomas J. Johnson
Private Robert L. Steele
Private Joseph Stickley
Private Herbert J. Suerth, Jr. (Severely wounded in legs)
Private Paul Supko
Private Elmer I. Telstad (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private George W. Thomason
Private Raymond H. Thompson
Private John Toner
Private Eugene R. Tremble
Private Norman Tremonti
Private Allen E. Vest
Private Thomas W. Warren (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Kenneth J. Webb (KIA 13 January 1945)
Private Harold D. Webb (KIA 13 January 1945)
Private John M. West
Private James W. Wheeler
Private White (Transferred)
Private Elijah D. Whytsell
Private William T. Wingett (Transferred)
Private Donald S. Wiseman (Court-martialed, insubordination; outcome unknown)
Private Ronald V. York
Private Jerry G. Young
Private Don R. Miller
Private Martinez
Happy Memorial Day.
Dick.

[Peven]

And just like that, Peven blamed the men of E Company, 2nd Battalion of the 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment of the 101st Airborne Division, for every atrocity of WWII.
Here are the Members of Easy Company, whose graves you just pissed all over:

Officers of the 101st "Easy Company":
Colonel Clarence Hester (Made Battalion S-3, later made commander of 2nd Battalion)
Major Richard "Dick" Winter (Third commander of Easy; later made 1st Battalion commander)
Captain Lewis Nixon (Made Battalion S-2)
Captain Ronald C. Speirs (Initially in D Company, absorbed into Easy, later became the fifth commander of Easy)
Captain Herbert Sobel (Trainer and first commander of Easy; later transferred, and then moved to Battalion S-4)
1st Lieutenant Harry F. Welsh (Transferred to Headquarters company)
1st Lieutenant Lynn D. Compton (Evacuated because of "severe case of trench foot", actually shell-shock)
1st Lieutenant Robert B. Brewer
1st Lieutenant Thomas Meehan III (Second commander of Easy, KIA 6 June 1944)
1st Lieutenant Robert H. Cowing
1st Lieutenant James K. Davis
1st Lieutenant Norman S. Dike, Jr. (Fourth commander of Easy, transferred to Division headquarters after being relieved of command due to shell-shock in combat)
1st Lieutenant Jack E. Foley (Evacuated after wrist wound infection)
1st Lieutenant Roy Paul Gates
1st Lieutenant Frederick T. Heyliger (Severely wounded in shoulders & thigh from friendly fire)
1st Lieutenant Sterling W. Horner
1st Lieutenant Richard M. Hughes II
1st Lieutenant George Lavenson (Transferred to Battalion HQ)
1st Lieutenant C. Carwood Lipton
1st Lieutenant Salve H. Matheson (Made Regimental S-4)
1st Lieutenant Robert I. Matthews (KIA 6 June 1944)
1st Lieutenant Walter L. Moore (Transferred to Pathfinders)
1st Lieutenant Francis L. O'Brien (KIA December 1944)
1st Lieutenant Thomas A. Peacock
1st Lieutenant Ben M. Perkins
1st Lieutenant John E. Pisancin
1st Lieutenant Warren R. Rousch
1st Lieutenant Raymond G. Schmitz (KIA 22 September 1944)
1st Lieutenant Edward D. Shames
1st Lieutenant JB Stokes
1st Lieutenant Patrick J. Sweeney
1st Lieutenant Henry Jones (Transferred to Battalion HQ, Died in Germany 21 July 1947)
2nd Lieutenant Archibald Smith Barnwell
2nd Lieutenant James L. Diel (KIA 19 September 1944)
2nd Lieutenant Charles A. Hudson (Wounded)
2nd Lieutenant Charles R. Rexrod

Enlisted men:
1st Sergeant William S. Evans (KIA 6 June 1944)
Technical Sergeant Lloyd I. Simpson (MIA 9 June 1944)
Technical Sergeant Burton P. Christenson
Technical Sergeant Donald G. Malarkey (Briefly 1st Sergeant at wars end)
Technical Sergeant Senner T. Tegelrets (Exiled from the US Armed Forces, Deceased 3 September 2003)
Technical Sergeant Amos J. Taylor
Staff Sergeant Floyd M. Talbert (1st Sergeant after Lipton)
Staff Sergeant Mark I. Maunat (Transferred to US Marines to the Pacific, KIA September 19, 1944)
Staff Sergeant Will A. Obby (MIA 2 June 1944)
Staff Sergeant Norman A. Ford
Staff Sergeant John R. Chief (MIA 5 June 1945)
Staff Sergeant Charles E. Grant (Severely wounded in head)
Staff Sergeant William J. Guarnere (Leg mangled, amputated)
Staff Sergeant Earl L. Hale
Staff Sergeant Steven A. Kudla
Staff Sergeant Albert L. Mampre
Staff Sergeant John W. Martin
Staff Sergeant Leo J. Matz
Staff Sergeant Darrell C. Powers
Staff Sergeant Murray B. Roberts (KIA 6 June 1944)
Staff Sergeant Frank J. Soboleski
Staff Sergeant Joseph J. Toye (Leg blown off)
Staff Sergeant Robert T. Smith
Staff Sergeant Joseph E. Stedman
Staff Sergeant Joseph P. Whitecavage
Staff Sergeant Earl E. McClung
Staff Sergeant Robert K. Marsh
Sergeant James H. Alley, Jr.
Sergeant Roderick Bain
Sergeant Paul L. Becker
Sergeant Leo D. Boyle (Severely wounded in thigh)
Sergeant Gordon F. Carson
Sergeant James Monroe "Tex" Combs, Jr.
Sergeant Bernard S. Cunningham
Sergeant Lloyd D. Guy
Sergeant Taskel Ellis
Sergeant Hanes
Sergeant Herman E. Hanson
Sergeant Hayden
Sergeant Haynes
Sergeant J.D. Henderson
Sergeant Walter L. Hendrix
Sergeant Sherman M. Irish
Sergeant William F. Kiehn (KIA 10 February 1945)
Sergeant Clancy Odel Lyall
Sergeant John C. Lynch
Sergeant Robert A. Mann
Sergeant Thomas A. McCreary
Sergeant Kenneth D. Mercier
Sergeant Harvey H. Morehead
Sergeant Warren H. Muck, (KIA 10 January 1945)
Sergeant Elmer L. Murray, Jr. (KIA 6 June 1944)
Sergeant Richard E. Owen (KIA 6 June 1944)
Sergeant Robert J. Rader
Sergeant Denver Randleman
Sergeant Robert B. Smith
Sergeant Myron Ranney (Severely wounded in shin)
Sergeant Carl N. Riggs (KIA 6 June 1944)
Sergeant Paul C. Rogers
Sergeant James B. Sholty
Sergeant Wayne A. Sisk
Sergeant Roderick G. Strohl
Sergeant Clarence M. Tridle
Sergeant Richard M. Wright
Sergeant Robert E. Wynn
Sergeant Arthur C. Youman
Technician 4th Grade George Luz, Sr.
Technician 4th Grade Frank J. Perconte
Technician 4th Grade Charles E. Rhinehart
Technician 4th grade Eugene Roe, Sr.
Technician 4th Grade Richard C. Rowles
Technician 4th Grade Carl C. Sawosko (KIA 13 January 1945)
Technician 4th Grade Benjamin J. Stoney (KIA 6 June 1944)
Corporal Kenneth T. Baldwin
Corporal Antoine P. Bostons
Corporal Sextron I. Dickers
Corporal James V. Benton
Corporal James D. Campbell (KIA 8 October 1944)
Corporal William Dukeman, Jr. (KIA 5 October 1944)
Corporal John P. Fieguth
Corporal Walter S. Gordon, Jr. (Severely wounded in back, paralyzed)
Corporal Forrest L. Guth
Corporal George Higgins
Corporal A.P. Herron (KIA 13 January 1945)
Corporal Donald B. Hoobler (KIA 3 January 1945)
Corporal Donald L. King
Corporal Thomas Maitland
Corporal Francis J. Mellet (KIA 13 January 1945)
Corporal Stanley F. Motowski
Corporal Lavon P. Reese
Corporal Harvey G. Robinson
Corporal Edward H. Stein
Technician 5th Grade Leopollo P. Carillo
Technician 5th Grade Herman F. Collins (KIA 6 June 1944)
Technician 5th Grade William A. Howell
Technician 5th Grade Joseph D. Liebgott
Technician 5th Grade John G. Mayer
Technician 5th Grade William C. Maynard
Technician 5th Grade John McGrath
Technician 5th Grade Leslie R. Pace
Technician 5th Grade Campbell T. Smith
Technician 5th Grade Ralph I. Stafford
Technician 5th Grade William H. Wagner
Technician 5th Grade Jerry A. Wentzel (KIA 6 June 1944)
Technician 5th Grade Ralph H. Wimer (KIA 6 June 1944)
Technician 5th Grade Antonio C. Garcia
Private First Class Aldrich
Private First Class Raymond L. Ballew
Private First Class Conrad M. Bay
Private First Class Salvatore F. Bellino
Private First Class Edward J. Bernat
Private First Class Burden
Private First Class Thomas H. Burgess (Severely wounded in throat)
Private First Class Matthew J. Carlino
Private First Class Maxwell M. Clark
Private First Class Vincent S. Collette
Private First Class Seth O. Crosby
Private First Class Richard P. Davenport
Private First Class Edward J. Donahue
Private First Class Carl F. Eckstrom
Private First Class Carl J. Fenstermaker
Private First Class Fernandez
Private First Class Gerald L. Flurie
Private First Class Richard R. Garrod
Private First Class John E. Gathings
Private First Class Jack O. Ginn
Private First Class Walter E. Hanson
Private First Class Siles E. Harrelson
Private First Class Dale L. Hartley
Private First Class Edward J. Heffron
Private First Class Elwood Hertzog
Private First Class Hickman
Private First Class Joseph E. Hogan
Private First Class Walter G. Howard
Private First Class Clarence S. Howell
Private First Class Hudson
Private First Class Warren C. Huntley
Private First Class Eugene E. Ivie
Private First Class Coburn M. Johnson
Private First Class George E. Jones
Private First Class Robert Van Klinken (KIA 20 September 1944)
Private First Class Kohler
Private First Class Harry R. Lager
Private First Class Robert T. Leonard
Private First Class Quinton E. Lindler
Private First Class Dewitt Lowrey
Private First Class Arthur J. Mauzerall
Private First Class John McBreen
Private First Class Walter L. McKay
Private First Class James A. McMahon
Private First Class William E. Medved
Private First Class William T. Miller (KIA 20 September 1944)
Private First Class David E. Morris
Private First Class Norman W. Neitzke
Private First Class Henry E. Nelson
Private First Class Ralph J. Orth (Wounded in kneecap by bullet fragment)
Private First Class Alex M. Penkala Jr. (KIA 10 January 1945)
Private First Class Edwin E. Pepping
Private First Class Farris O. Rice
Private First Class Woodrow W. Robbins
Private First Class John W. Rossman
Private First Class Edward F. Sabo
Private First Class Elmer N. Schuyler
Private First Class John L. Sheehy
Private First Class John P. Sheeley
Private First Class Garland R. Smith
Private First Class Gerald R. Snider
Private First Class Paul J. Sullivan
Private First Class Edward J. Tipper (Severely wounded in face, legs)
Private First Class Felix J. Tokarzewski
Private First Class Ralph J. Trapuzzano
Private First Class Andrew Uuban
Private First Class Alexander Vittorre
Private First Class Paul Wagner
Private First Class David Kenyon Webster
Private First Class James W. Welling
Private First Class Daniel B. West
Private First Class Melvin O. Winn
Private First Class William H. Woodcock
Private First Class George F. Yochum
Private First Class Frank J. Zastawniak
Private First Class Henry C. Zimmerman
Private First Class John A. Janovec (Died in car accident, May 1945)
Private First Class John T. Julian (KIA 1 January 1945)
Private Owen L. Andrews
Private Kieth Ansell
Private Harvey Baker
Private Frederick C. Bealke, Jr.
Private Richard F. Berg
Private Homer T. Blake
Private Albert Blithe (Severely wounded in shoulder)
Private Robert J. Bloser (KIA 7 June 1944)
Private Donald S. Bond
Private Richard L. Bray
Private Charles P. Broska
Private Earl V. Bruce
Private John J. Capoferri
Private Ora M. Childers
Private Chow
Private Robert T. Cipriano
Private Roy W. Cobb (Court-martialed; insubordination and assault on Lt. Foley)
Private James F. Coleman
Private James Comba
Private John G. Connell
Private Conway
Private Philip Coviello
Private Samuel M. Cowthu
Private Cushman
Private Damon
Private Barry J. Dassault
Private Edward R. De Tuncq
Private Jay S. Dickerson
Private William Dillinger (Transferred)
Private Rudolph Dittrich (Died in practice jump, 20 May 1944)
Private John Doe
Private Joseph Dominquez
Private Walter F. Eggert
Private George Elliot (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Chester R. Eschenbach
Private John L. Eubanks
Private Bradford C. Freeman
Private John L. Geraghty
Private William D. Gier
Private Terry G. Giles
Private Eugene S. Gilmore
Private Milton B. Glass
Private Frank B. Grant
Private Everett J. Gray (KIA 8 June 1944)
Private Genoa H. Griffith
Private Stephen E. Grodski
Private Stanley L. Hagerman
Private Franklin W. Hale
Private Elwood Hargroves
Private Thomas A. Harrel
Private Terrence C. Harris (Transferred to Pathfinders)(KIA 18 June 1944)
Private George B. Hartsuff
Private Lester A. Hashey (Severely wounded in the back)
Private Verlin V. Hawkins
Private Harold G. Hayes (KIA December 1944)
Private Cyril B. Heckler
Private Robert B. Hensley
Private George W. Hewitt
Private Paul A. Hite
Private Owen E. Holbrook
Private John R. Holland
Private David L. Holton
Private Bruce A. Hudgens
Private Richard J. Hughes (KIA 9 January 1945)
Private Charles F. Hussion
Private Eugene E. Jackson (KIA 15 February 1945)
Private Robert Jarrett
Private Edward J. Joint
Private Joseph M. Jordan (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Vernon Jordan
Private John R. Korb
Private William N. Kratzer
Private Paul E. Lamoureux
Private Lewis Lampos
Private Joseph A. Lesniewski (Evacuated from leg-wound infection)
Private Philip E. Longo
Private John Lusty
Private A. Mahmood
Private Walter E. Martin
Private Michael V. Massaconi
Private Jack F. Matthews
Private Edward A. Mauser
Private Robert Maxwell
Private Carl F. McCauley
Private McDonald (Transferred)
Private William T. McGonigal (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Joachim Melo
Private Ynez M. Mendoza
Private Vernon J. Menze (KIA 20 September 1944)
Private Max M. Meth
Private Elmer T. Meth
Private William S. Metzler (KIA June 1944)
Private James W. Miller (KIA 20 September 1944)
Private John N. Miller (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Franklin Milo
Private Elmer J. Minne
Private Alfred B. Montes
Private Donald J. Moone
Private Alton More
Private William E. Morris
Private Sergio G. Moya (KIA June 6, 1944)
Private Gordon L. Nevenfeldt
Private Patrick H. Neill (KIA 13 January 1945)
Private Marshall C. Oliver
Private Ernest I. Oates (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Patrick S. O'Keefe
Private Gordon H. Oien
Private Cecil M. Pace
Private Parkes (Transferred)
Private Philip P. Perugini
Private Cleveland O. Petty
Private Roy E. Pickel, Sr.
Private David R. Pierce
Private John Plesha Jr.
Private George L. Potter
Private Charles W. Pyle
Private Alex R. Raczkowski
Private George J. Rajner (KIA July 1944)
Private Joseph Ramirez
Private Gregory C. Rotella
Private James Sarago
Private William D. Serila
Private John E. Shindell (KIA 13 January 1945)
Private Urban M. Shirley
Private George H. Smith, Jr.
Private Gerald B. Snider (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private James L. Sowell
Private Ralph F. Spina
Private Tomas J. Johnson
Private Robert L. Steele
Private Joseph Stickley
Private Herbert J. Suerth, Jr. (Severely wounded in legs)
Private Paul Supko
Private Elmer I. Telstad (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private George W. Thomason
Private Raymond H. Thompson
Private John Toner
Private Eugene R. Tremble
Private Norman Tremonti
Private Allen E. Vest
Private Thomas W. Warren (KIA 6 June 1944)
Private Kenneth J. Webb (KIA 13 January 1945)
Private Harold D. Webb (KIA 13 January 1945)
Private John M. West
Private James W. Wheeler
Private White (Transferred)
Private Elijah D. Whytsell
Private William T. Wingett (Transferred)
Private Donald S. Wiseman (Court-martialed, insubordination; outcome unknown)
Private Ronald V. York
Private Jerry G. Young
Private Don R. Miller
Private Martinez
Happy Memorial Day.
Dick.

and just like that Jerry has no clue about anything more complex than crayon drawn idolization and a nice whitewashed idealized view of history so he can go on idealizing his heroes like a child instead of ever confronting the reality they lived in and created themselves, so simple-minded and childlike that he thinks listing their names carries any kind of weight whatsoever while showing zero awareness or appreciation of real history and the suffering of the very real Black Americans who lived in the world those white heroes he worships helped to maintain, (war stuff is more fun to glorify and look up to, right?) but what do you expect from someone who takes their name and avatar from a fucking twistedly trite and idealized caricature of immigrants to this country.

[so sorry]

God damn Peven, you are such an asshole.
Band of Brothers (if you'd actually like to discuss the topic at hand, not your world views on the evil white man) is not about the men who decided the fate of nations, its about REAL men, and the REAL shit they had to go thru the likes of which 99% of us will never have to face.
Do you have anything to say about this show, the book, or the real men who's stories are told here? No?

[Peven]

God damn Peven, you are such an asshole.
Band of Brothers (if you'd actually like to discuss the topic at hand, not your world views on the evil white man) is not about the men who decided the fate of nations, its about REAL men, and the REAL shit they had to go thru the likes of which 99% of us will never have to face.
Do you have anything to say about this show, the book, or the real men who's stories are told here? No?

yeah, I'm an asshole because I point out the truth. God damn pussies. no wonder Trump and the cops and every racist asshole in this country feels empowered to do whatever the fuck they want, they know there are a bunch of white, middle-aged, rubber-spined apologists who will ignore racism and injustice to women and minorities at every opportunity because it is inconvenient and they don't have the balls to deal with their buddies giving them a hard time about caring about minority rights, but will never pass on an opportunity to get misty eyed over white soldiers killing people.

go fuck yourself and your Kap-bashing pals.

[TheBaxter]

God damn Peven, you are such an asshole.
Band of Brothers (if you'd actually like to discuss the topic at hand, not your world views on the evil white man) is not about the men who decided the fate of nations, its about REAL men, and the REAL shit they had to go thru the likes of which 99% of us will never have to face.
Do you have anything to say about this show, the book, or the real men who's stories are told here? No?

yeah, I'm an asshole because I point out the truth. God damn pussies. no wonder Trump and the cops and every racist asshole in this country feels empowered to do whatever the fuck they want, they know there are a bunch of white, middle-aged, rubber-spined apologists who will ignore racism and injustice to women and minorities at every opportunity because it is inconvenient and they don't have the balls to deal with their buddies giving them a hard time about caring about minority rights, but will never pass on an opportunity to get misty eyed over white soldiers killing people.

go fuck yourself and your Kap-bashing pals.

someday, forty or fifty or a hundred years from now, people will be saying the exact same thing about you. maybe not about racism (though probably that too, because as the past week has shown, our generation is no less racist and no less to blame for the ongoing damage that racism has caused).... maybe it will be for global warming, or guns, or eating meat, or religious superstition, or something we can't even imagine today because there's a society-wide blind spot to it that we're not even aware of, something we take totally for granted whose evil will only be apparent after we've all died. and if you were around, you'd probably protest and say "but i wasn't racist or sexist or pro-fossil fuels or anything bad" and maybe you'd even talk about how much you did to advance society by posting messages on a forum that gets read by approximately 3 other people or so.... but it won't matter. because you were still part of the evil generation who knew that global warming was going to destroy the planet and didn't do anything to stop it. you were still part of the generation that benefitted from the systematic oppression of non-white, non-male, non-heterosexual people. you were still part of the generation that tortured and killed animals for food and allowed any idiot who wanted a gun to buy one and use it to shoot up a school or a mosque. you're just as guilty as the most racist, sexist, homophobic, MAGA-hat-wearing NRA member, all because you existed at the same time as those people. at least, that's what the logic of your post would dictate.

most of the people on that list were white. some were black (they may not have even realized it). some were hispanic. some were jewish. some were almost certainly KKK members. others almost certainly went on to become part of the civil rights movement. some of them were good. some of them were evil. most of them were a little of both. none of them were perfect. but every single one lived at the same moment in time, so to the simple-minded, they were all the same. all equally as vile and despicable as the worst among them.

also, at the risk of hurting your feelings... what makes you think any of us is your "buddy"?

[Peven]

Drew Breeze fans, eh?

[Wolfpack]

Drew Breeze fans, eh?

These guys seem to think so:

[Peven]

thank you sosorry, feival and bax for being such great examples of white 'merica during this time while our country is dealing with racial injustice. you keep up the good fight protecting the false memories of the fake "good old days" of white 'merica, where white men were men, as in "they were REAL men" and Black men were lynch bait and treated worse as US soldiers than the POW's those brave white 'mericans were fighting while proving what "real men" they were. you are great examples of how this country got to where we are today: soft, spoiled, entitled white men who care more about protecting a false legacy of white bravery than taking any real stand on issues that count, because you have attached that false legacy of white bravery to yourself and depend on it for part of your own self-esteem.

"taking pride in things you didn't do and hating people in countries you have never been to", now that's being a good 'merican

"A poem written in 1943 by Langston Hughes, is just as relevant today.

Beaumont to Detroit

Looky here, America
What you done done —
Let things drift
Until the riots come.

Now your policemen
Let your mobs run free.
I reckon you don’t care
Nothing about me.

You tell me that hitler
Is a mighty bad man.
I guess he took lessons
from the ku klux klan.

You tell me mussolini’s
Got an evil heart.
Well, it mus-a been in Beaumont
That he had his start —

Cause everything that hitler
And mussolini do,
Negroes get the same
Treatment from you.

You jim crowed me
Before hitler rose to power —
And you’re STILL jim crowing me
Right now, this very hour.

Yet you say we’re fighting
For democracy.
Then why don’t democracy
Include me?

I ask you this question
Cause I want to know
How long I got to fight
BOTH HITLER — AND JIM CROW."

in case you didn't know, Hughes was Black. but I guess he is just an insensitive asshole, right Bax??? how dare he rain on those white heroes parade with his meanness, eh???

tell me about how those guys from Band of Brothers fought for racial equality here in the US. you can't, can you? there WERE people here fighting and risking life and limb for that cause, too. just imagine how much help it would have been if WW II vets had come home and then demanded equal rights for all Americans after just defeating a racist regime? but they didn't, did they??? so fuck off with your fake full of shit pretense of civility and level headed world view. honestly, fuck the fuck off, your kind are as responsible for how poorly minorities are treated in this country today as the rabid racists, you sit back and let it happen, you're apologists making excuses for the men who supported racist policies and treated Black Americans as second class citizens and reminisce about the white 'merica you didn't live in but wish you had.

[Peven]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/fig ... qltLLd5_tM

[Ribbons]

The real crime against humanity here is that so sorry watched The Pacific first.