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Betamax and beyond

How will you be watching movies in the future?

DVD?
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11%
HD-DVD?
10
13%
Blu-Ray?
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51%
EVD?
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1%
Holographic Optical Recording Technology?
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OLDSCHOOL BABY! Betamax/VHS?
2
3%
Projected onto your eyelids by your new 3D magic-movie eye?
2
3%
In the gorram CINEMA, all this tech costs tooo much........
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Lion's Gate to use Blu-Ray

Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:17 pm

I so hope they clear up this competing format bullshit real soon, though the PS3 and a super-mega Blu-Ray Star Wars set from Fox would probably turn the tide.

http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/2005 ... 78000.html


Here's more on Blu-Ray from Wired.

http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0, ... 39,00.html
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Postby wonkabar on Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:28 pm

Oh just do fucking blue-ray already. That kinda sucks though, cuz I would really prefer to get an xbox-360. 400bux is too expensive anyway. Hopefully by the end of next year we'll know both, which format and which console is king.
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:13 am

Blu-Ray, she's a made a from PEOPLE!!!!!
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Postby thomasgaffney on Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:23 am

Why can't everyone just agree on Blu-Ray and start mass producing the fuckers? I'm getting tired of waiting.....
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Postby WinslowLeach on Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:19 am

Im sticking with DVDs for now.
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Postby John-Locke on Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:23 am

Yeah I'm not going to buy into any new technology until it's proven. Blu Ray wiil be like Laser Disks were to DVD, soon we'll have better than Blu Ray quality in like 3D, only it's all on a microchip.

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Postby thomasgaffney on Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:27 am

Yeah, my wife says that I'm foolish too, but it's like an addiction. New technology? MUST BUY!
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Postby WinslowLeach on Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:47 am

Unless Blu Ray has some really special extra things that DVDs dont, Im not gonna bother. I also dont want to buy movies on tiny little discs, pretty soon theyll be so small theyll be like coins. "Hey wanna watch a movie?" "OK!" (Reaches into pocket) Cmon, gimme a break.
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:07 pm

WinslowLeach wrote:I also dont want to buy movies on tiny little discs, pretty soon theyll be so small theyll be like coins. "Hey wanna watch a movie?" "OK!" (Reaches into pocket) Cmon, gimme a break.


I donna know, I kinda like a that idea, eh? The Dino, he was a big fan of a the minidisc format, but she dinna really take off... Record inna real-time, re-writeable, scratch-proof inna its a little case, holds as a much as a the regular CD... Sony blew it though, by a only a using the ATRAC3 format for a so long anna not supporting MP3 format... Also it would have a been nice iffa I could have a used it as a data storage unit inna stead of a just a music, eh?

But a still, I like a my minidisc.
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Studios Announce First Blu-ray Disc Titles

Postby Tyrone_Shoelaces on Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:28 pm

Coming Soon has the list.
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Postby havocSchultz on Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:33 pm

so what is that - like 8 different versions of fifth element and desperado now... yay - backwards compatible... but how much will the players be...
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Postby King Psyz on Thu Jan 05, 2006 2:38 pm

This is all a gear up to the PS3 launch which will more than likely be most peoples first if not only blu-ray player. I bet if we look a lot of those titles will be tied to Sony's media ownership.
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Postby Petri on Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:18 pm

I hesitate to buy a next-gen DVD player until I see which format actually comes out on top, be it Blu-Ray or HD-DVD
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Postby King Psyz on Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:23 pm

I think Blu Ray will take the crown for the sole reason that it's imbedded in every PS3 and we know those are guaranteed sellers
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Postby Petri on Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:26 pm

I don't know about that. Typically movie mediums are very mainstream consumer-driven rather than gamer-driven. I don't think the PS3 will decide the winner of this one. Though Sony is a powerful ally for Blu-Ray
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Postby King Psyz on Thu Jan 05, 2006 4:30 pm

right, but aside from hardcore gamers. a lot of households will basically automatically have a blu ray player this year.

they get the kids a PS3, you think they'll shell out more money for HD DVD when they already have an HD format? No way.

Look what PS2 did to DVD dominance. When I first got mine most Blockbusters were 25/75 - 50/50 for DVD to VHS ratio. Now that PS2 owns your soul there's little to any VHS in a Blockbuster now. I don't think it's a coincidence. DVD players were expensive and pushed a lot of people away, but if they get little Jimmy his PS2 for Christmas/Birthday ect. then it's "Oh hey, we do have a DVD player at home huh."
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Postby Petri on Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:13 pm

I think you are giving the typical all-american mom and pop too much credit when you think they will see the PS3 as a Blu-Ray player. I don't know about your parents, but my parents (both in their 50s) have no idea that either the PS2 or the XBox have a DVD player at all. They come from a time when everything was a standalone instead of being integrated.

I think the DVD medium really became prevalent when DVD players became so cheap. My parents saw no need to get a DVD player until they saw an Audiohome brand player the day after Christmas at Best Buy for 40 bucks.
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Postby TheBaxter on Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:19 pm

I'm not getting a Blu-Ray/HD-DVD player til Lucas releases the Star Wars OT in the format - the original theatrical versions, not the special editions, of course.
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:50 pm

Embedded in the PS3 you say? Well then I think you can pretty much bank on Blu-Ray being the new standard. You know every living room / dorm room / board room / bordello is gonna have the PS3 next year, and hence the market contest is already won.

Basically, the world goeth where Sony leadeth. And with full backward compatibility? Fughedaboutit! It's already decided...
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Postby King Psyz on Thu Jan 05, 2006 7:14 pm

that's what i'm sayin!
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Postby Petri on Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:47 am

Well, Microsoft announced that they will have HD-DVD addon available for the XBox 360. Not sure if the second-gen 360s will ship with it standard.
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Postby WinslowLeach on Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:51 am

So is the Blu-Ray a smaller format/better picture transfer/more space? I'm not that familiar with all the differences between them and reg DVD. If someone could explain a little it would be great.
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Postby ZombieZoneSolutions on Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:05 pm

Petri wrote:Well, Microsoft announced that they will have HD-DVD addon available for the XBox 360.


Wait, so you can buy and extra addon for the XBox to watch HD-DVD while Blu-Ray comes for free (well, standard) with the PS3, has superior picture quality, and has full backward compatibility?

Sony wins.

I mean, seriously, Sony is the market leader and the Playstation owns the gaming market. The only reason anyone is paying any attention to the XBox 360 at all is because it was the first next-gen console to come out. Sony knows this, and thats why they can take their sweet time / do whatever the heck the want.

I guarentee you next year "Blu-Ray" will be the word on everyones lips...
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Postby havocSchultz on Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:12 pm

ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:
I guarentee you next year "Blu-Ray" will be the word on everyones lips...


actually - i was planning to have fuck-tard on my lips alot next year... but what can you do...

buy yeah - i'm holding off on a 360 till i see the PS3... have PS2 and Xbox now - they both are superior in their own way in certain games... xbox probably takes it a bit - but you never know what the future holds... on a similar note - i hear commodore is coming out with the new Commodore69 - games on LaserDisc that are backwards compatible with your 8-Trac player...
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Postby Petri on Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:21 pm

ZombieZoneSolutions wrote:
Petri wrote:Well, Microsoft announced that they will have HD-DVD addon available for the XBox 360.


Wait, so you can buy and extra addon for the XBox to watch HD-DVD while Blu-Ray comes for free (well, standard) with the PS3, has superior picture quality, and has full backward compatibility?

Sony wins.

I mean, seriously, Sony is the market leader and the Playstation owns the gaming market. The only reason anyone is paying any attention to the XBox 360 at all is because it was the first next-gen console to come out. Sony knows this, and thats why they can take their sweet time / do whatever the heck the want.

I guarentee you next year "Blu-Ray" will be the word on everyones lips...


Dammit I refuse to buy a Playstation anything since I tried the original Playstation once and the controller confused me. Just allow me to wallow in my hatred for the Playstation even though I buy Sony for just about every other piece of electronic equipment I own.
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:42 pm

Yeah you gotta to be a the goddamn GENIUS to figure this a one out, eh?

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Postby Chairman Kaga on Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:49 pm

I wonder if Blu-Ray tech becomes standard will they produce Blu-Ray discs that are not HD? Considering Blu-Ray uses a thinner beam and thus fits more info on a disc will they then produce versions of movies like Godfather 2 that fit the enrtire movie on one DVD thanks to the Blu-Ray?? Or more soundtracks etc...
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Postby WinslowLeach on Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:51 pm

Ok so this Blue Ray BS isnt going to replace DVDs. I just had a convo about it. This isnt even worth bothering with anymore. Next subject!
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Postby Petri on Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:57 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:Yeah you gotta to be a the goddamn GENIUS to figure this a one out, eh?

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You grow up on nintendo it's harder than you realize.
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Postby Chairman Kaga on Fri Jan 06, 2006 3:05 pm

WinslowLeach wrote:Ok so this Blue Ray BS isnt going to replace DVDs. I just had a convo about it. This isnt even worth bothering with anymore. Next subject!

Well it is essentially a better DVD format......If you are really really stressed to get the best picture and sound with an HD tv it's worth it.
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Postby Petri on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:22 pm

I did a little reading up on the two competing formats and a basic rundown is Blu-Ray can hold more data (50 gb vs. 30 gb for a duel layer) than HD-DVD yet costs more to produce.
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Postby tapehead on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:27 pm

Blu Ray Vs. HD DVD = VHS VS. Beta

Beta was a better format, based on broadcast quality tech at the time
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Postby Petri on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:28 pm

May as well wait em out to see who ends up on top.
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Postby DinoDeLaurentiis on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:38 pm

Petri wrote:You grow up on nintendo it's harder than you realize.


Harder than a THIS?!?
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Postby havocSchultz on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:43 pm

ya... even harder than this...

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Postby wonkabar on Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:54 pm

HD-DVD...not out of it yet
HD DVD players will be available in March at prices as low as $500, beating Blu-ray Disc players to the market by several months and less than half the cost.

At the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Wednesday, Toshiba America Consumer Products announced its first two HD DVD high-definition models--players only, not recorders--will start shipping in March at prices of $500 and $800.

The prices are much lower than many had predicted and clearly sends a signal that the HD DVD camp, which has built its next-generation format on the base of the existing DVD and therefore has lower development and manufacturing costs, plans to try to beat the entirely new Blu-ray format on aggressive low pricing.

New Blu-ray Disc player models announced Wednesday by Pioneer Electronics USA and to be announced Thursday by Samsung are priced two-to-three times as high at $1,800 and about $1,000, respectively.


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http://dvdexclusive.com/article.asp?articleID=2624&categoryID=
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Postby Petri on Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:10 pm

DinoDeLaurentiis wrote:
Petri wrote:You grow up on nintendo it's harder than you realize.


Harder than a THIS?!?
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I'm referring more to this.

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Postby King Psyz on Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:55 pm

btw see my CES thread, SONY is going to own your eyes and ears this coming year. They just released a new movie projector with 4 times the resolution of ANY theatre projector on the market and they're easilly portable (AKA easy to install). I saw video of GT4 and nearly died, as UNreal looked UN FUCKING REAL.

With an 8Gb memory stick hitting the market later this year the PSP will be a much more viable portable entertainment device, with more than enough room for games, movies, photos, songs, and music video. Oh and WiFi access via the new box they got coming out for TV/DVD/VCR/SAT/Etc.

Yeah buy stock in SONY now...
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Postby Fried Gold on Sun Jan 08, 2006 10:36 am

This is all going to come down to porn. That's why VHS won.

I also think the brand names will play a part. DVD is part of popular culture now. HD-DVD, as a name is recognisable. Blu-Ray will confuse half the potential customers.
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Postby Alex DeLarge on Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:03 pm

will i be able to play dvds on a hd-dvd or blue ray disc player?
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Postby tapehead on Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:08 pm

it would be a bold and potentially stupid move to release a format that wasn't backwards compatible - being that they are still based on a 'laser reading digital info from a disc' kind of set up
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Postby kortanaskew on Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:23 pm

Basically, the world goeth where Sony leadeth.


Because we are all listening to music on our Mini-Disc players :p

Sony has fucked up before.
Even though we were all clamoring to be able to record on CD quality type format, no one bought this thing.


UMD on PSP is another big fuck up. 5-7 dollars more for a movie you can play on anything else otehr than your PSP?

They screwed up because some people were already putting out movies on mini-dvd's for even tinier handheld DVD players. Plus these movies would work on the big players at home too.

THey wanted their own goddamned format to control things with.
Smart consumers are just ripping their regular DVDs to play on the PSP. instead of buying UMD.

Blu Ray = Betamax.

As for other failed formats:

Anybody here ever buy Super Bit DVD's?

What about Nuon DVD players? It even came with a controller.
I was always curious what the content was on the Planet of The Apes DVD. Too abd the movie they launched Nuon with sucked. If it had been Star Wars, Nuon might still be around..
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Postby tapehead on Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:24 pm

There are heaps of bit torrent and 'how to' guides for movies and DVD to UMD - I think Sony have some idea, as you are able to have a memory card of a gig+ to transfer this sort of thing - but judging by the amount of UMD compressionist companies that have sprung up or are specialising - I think it's to soon to call the PSP UMD thing a 'fuck up' yet.
Blu-ray = Betamax - agreed, I hope the superior format wins out this time around

What about 'super CD's'?
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Postby Fried Gold on Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:40 pm

I see this more as being equatable to the launch of the proposed CD replacements - SACD and DVDA.

Both formats are superior to CD. Both were supposed to be the next big audio format. They launched in 1998. Hardly a big success.
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Postby tapehead on Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:05 pm

High definition Video is already an established broadcast and production format - this is going to happen
It will find a domestic format and, eventually, most of us will buy it
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Postby Gheorghe Zamfir on Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:17 pm

kortanaskew wrote:
Basically, the world goeth where Sony leadeth.

UMD on PSP is another big fuck up. 5-7 dollars more for a movie you can play on anything else otehr than your PSP?

They screwed up because some people were already putting out movies on mini-dvd's for even tinier handheld DVD players. Plus these movies would work on the big players at home too.

THey wanted their own goddamned format to control things with.
Smart consumers are just ripping their regular DVDs to play on the PSP. instead of buying UMD.


That's interesting cause that's similar to how Sony ended up losing the race with betamax, too busy trying to control the format and ended up letting VHS become more popular just by virtue that VHS was allowing a bunch of competing manufacturers in on it. Not sure how the Blue-Ray/HD-DVD race is shaping up, but hopefully Sony has learned something by now.
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Postby bluebottle on Sun Jan 08, 2006 6:29 pm

i'm not going to waste any more money on technology... i've learned my lesson over the years... NEWTON.

so, i'll buy a ps3 when the second batch rolls off the assembly line (once they've worked out the initial bugs), just for the games...

but that's why i bought a ps2 and it was my first dvd player, i didn't buy a stand-alone for years, despite having a pretty large collection of dvd's by that point.

we'll see. it'll be interesting.

EDIT: It's funny that DVD players seemed so expensive and luxurious when they first came out, and now I've got three of them: Stand-Alone, Laptop, PS2
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Postby kortanaskew on Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:09 am

I see this more as being equatable to the launch of the proposed CD replacements - SACD and DVDA.


Well music is a different beast. It would have been easy for SACD to come out ahead. Every NEW since 1998 portable CD player and car disc player should have been able to Play these things. There never was much call for them. Frigging Best Buy doesnt even have them with the regular CD's. They had them in the audio section where they sold the units.

It should have been a complete sucess. Much like in the late eighties and 90's when you got that neat stereo system that played your old tapes but also played the new fangled CD's, There was No need to upgrade your old stuff right away but from now on you would buy CD's.


With at least 1 DVD player in every fricking home in america, DVDA could also have become a clear sucess. Why listen to a steroe version of your shitty limp bizkit album when you could hear it in glorious 5.1 Dolby Digital? Surely that pumping through your high end sound system would even make Limp Bizkit sound like Hendrix. I even considered buying a few of my favorite albums on DVDA.
Oh no wait. Not everyone has a home theater? Hell some people are still hooking up their DVD's to an RF switch :p
However thats not what killed this format. The killer of this format is simple. You really couldn't take your music wth you. Not everyone has a bulky portable DVD player or laptop to listen to their music on the go. Not everyone has an indash DVD player and most of those are locked to keep you from playing them while you drive. No youd have to listen to these babies solely at home.
After all what good is music if you cant listen to it while you jog. Thats why they made athletic jogging CD players even though these players were prone to skipping. Technology for these got better every year, we went from like 8 seconds of skip protection to one whole minute. So that it wouldnt skip everytime you took a step.
So we gravitated over to MP3's. This just goes to show that not many of us care about sound quality. We took our high quality cds and ripped them into lower quality versions. Who cares about quality when we can have every single song from our collection at any given time in the palm of our hands. Hell some of us even PAY the same amount of money for lower quality MP3 versions of the same album :\
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