It's official...Deadwood is Dead......

The greatest TV in history is being made right now. The worst TV in history is being made right now.

Postby Brocktune on Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:49 pm

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Postby so sorry on Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:17 pm

Read the article people...

the WRITER OF THE SHOW is the one who killed your third season, not HBO!


that's a pretty funny twist....
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:20 pm

so sorry wrote:the WRITER OF THE SHOW is the one who killed your third season, not HBO!


that would be the truncated 4th season of 6 episodes that HBO offered Milch, hamster penis.

what's more important, reading, or reading comprehension?
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Postby so sorry on Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:28 pm

Neither, what's MOST important is that you eat my cock.

j/k, i don't swing that way, so put it back in your pants.

i was mearly pointing out the fact that it wasn't simply a "mean evil corporation shits on show and its fans" story like people LOVE to bitch about.

they gave him an out to produce 6 episodes to give the series a graceful (as graceful as deadwood could be!) end, and he simply said no.
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Postby Adam Balm on Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:32 pm

Still doesn't make sense to cancel this one in favor of the far more expensive, less watched, and less critically acclaimed Rome, unless the split with the BBC really made it a better deal than it looks like. And this is coming from someone who freaking loved Rome...
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:47 pm

so sorry wrote:i was merely pointing out the fact that it wasn't simply a "mean evil corporation shits on show and its fans" story like people LOVE to bitch about.

they gave him an out to produce 6 episodes to give the series a graceful (as graceful as deadwood could be!) end, and he simply said no.


I hear ya'.

Couple of things...maybe Milch is holding out hope that HBO will be inundated with enough fan bitching to cave in and extend that olive branch of 6eps. to a full 12. Doubtful, what with the sets being torn down, but if the third season sees an increase in viewership, it's a possibility.

Or, maybe Milch really feels that a 6 episode arc wouldn't be enough to fulfill his planned conclusion, and doesn't want to shortchange the fans with a rushed / forced ending...if that's the case, I kinda respect that.

Sad fucking news, regardless.
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Postby TonyWilson on Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:56 pm

[Al Swearengen]You mean to tell me, that some cocksucking ingrates from HBO don't think I have enough clout and general fuckin prescence of mind to claw, scrape, hoodwink, and forcefully fuckin persuade these pampered studly assed couch living gentlemen to watch me over some motherfucking greaseball iiitalian stick? Even my gimp gots more brains than those cuntstruck sonsabitch executives[/Al Sweargen]
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Postby so sorry on Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:01 pm

Keepcoolbutcare wrote:Couple of things...maybe Milch is holding out hope that HBO will be inundated with enough fan bitching to cave in and extend that olive branch of 6eps. to a full 12. Doubtful, what with the sets being torn down, but if the third season sees an increase in viewership, it's a possibility.

Or, maybe Milch really feels that a 6 episode arc wouldn't be enough to fulfill his planned conclusion, and doesn't want to shortchange the fans with a rushed / forced ending...if that's the case, I kinda respect that.

Sad fucking news, regardless.


I don't watch the show, and i don't know squat about this guy Milch, so i'm just speculatin', but what are the chances that he's just lost interest in writing swear-words for crooks and hookers, and that he really is stoked about this other project that he'll be doing?
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Postby Pacino86845 on Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:05 pm

so sorry wrote:what's MOST important is that you eat my cock.

j/k, i don't swing that way, so put it back in your pants.

Keepcool's mouth is in his pants?!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Or is he packing one of these?

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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:06 pm

so sorry wrote:but what are the chances that he's just lost interest in writing swear-words for crooks and hookers, and that he really is stoked about this other project that he'll be doing?


could be.

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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:07 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:
so sorry wrote:what's MOST important is that you eat my cock.

j/k, i don't swing that way, so put it back in your pants.

Keepcool's mouth is in his pants?!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Or is he packing one of these?

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mouth in my pants, with my head up my ass.
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Postby so sorry on Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:00 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:
so sorry wrote:what's MOST important is that you eat my cock.

j/k, i don't swing that way, so put it back in your pants.

Keepcool's mouth is in his pants?!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Or is he packing one of these?

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why did that picture make me think of his foreskin?!?!?!?
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:59 pm

so sorry wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:
so sorry wrote:what's MOST important is that you eat my cock.

j/k, i don't swing that way, so put it back in your pants.

Keepcool's mouth is in his pants?!

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Or is he packing one of these?

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why did that picture make me think of his foreskin?!?!?!?


no, that's V_B's foreskin after his rough romp.
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Postby Pacino86845 on Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:19 pm

Man, all we need now is a third arm joke and the circle would be complete.
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Not a joke but.. roll with it.
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Postby RaulMonkey on Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:26 pm

Sweet! That kid's lucky man. It looks like all he needs is a little snip and he's multidextrous!
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Postby Pacino86845 on Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:35 pm

To get back on topic in a vague sense, I just watched the first episode of Season 1. I bought the DVD set based on Zoners' recommendations, notably the good Reverend Brocktune who has been championing this show for ages.

First impression? Not bad, interesting characters, though the dialogue juts out, seems a little artificial at times, and the acting a little too stilted. I can definitely see the potential for something awesome, but I got the impression that they're just finding their legging with this first ep.

The saloon owner is pretty cool, and Brad Dourif as the doctor is a nice little bonus.

And until I looked up the name, I thought Timothy Olyphant was Michael Biehn, but looking young for some reason.
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Postby Brocktune on Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:42 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:First impression? Not bad, interesting characters, though the dialogue juts out, seems a little artificial at times, and the acting a little too stilted. I can definitely see the potential for something awesome, but I got the impression that they're just finding their legging with this first ep.


those were my sentimonies exactly, when i first started watching it. just hang on, somewhere between ep 3 and 5, i think the quality will really start to sink in.
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Postby TonyWilson on Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:44 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:To get back on topic in a vague sense, I just watched the first episode of Season 1. I bought the DVD set based on Zoners' recommendations, notably the good Reverend Brocktune who has been championing this show for ages.

First impression? Not bad, interesting characters, though the dialogue juts out, seems a little artificial at times, and the acting a little too stilted. I can definitely see the potential for something awesome, but I got the impression that they're just finding their legging with this first ep.

The saloon owner is pretty cool, and Brad Dourif as the doctor is a nice little bonus.

And until I looked up the name, I thought Timothy Olyphant was Michael Biehn, but looking young for some reason.


It gets much fucking better Pacino. I was put off by some off the dialogue but as the series progresses it gets earthy and layered and much richer. By the end of season 2 Al Swearengen's monologues are some of the most profane, tender, intelligent, hilarious, multilayered metaphor rich pieces of prose ever written.
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Postby Brocktune on Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:46 pm

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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:28 pm

Pacino86845 wrote:though the dialogue juts out, seems a little artificial at times...


the profanity, the Shakespearean tone, or both?

I don't think it's a stretch to say that people, even the dregs of 1870's society, spoke the King's English far better than their socioeconomic counterparts of today. Maybe not to that extent, but Milch, former English professor at Yale (and according to IMDB, frat brother of Dubya!), spent over a year researching the town and era. Having myself read several "authentic frontier" letters from around that period, it's a wee bit theatric, but the versimilutde is at times just spot on.

As for the 'cussin, Milch has said the following...

And the one thing upon which everyone agreed was that the profanity and obscenity was astounding. It was overwhelming. People who would visit would report that they simply couldn't believe the way people spoke out there.
…the idea of community without law, of how people comport themselves in the absence of any governing principle is fundamental to the conception of the show. And the language, the lawlessness of the language is, first of all, something that I hope people will get used to, but it establishes an atmosphere, verbally, in which anything is possible. It is rejection of everything, except brute force.
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Postby ONeillSG1 on Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:32 pm

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Best.Quote.Ever.
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Postby ONeillSG1 on Thu Jun 01, 2006 7:33 pm

TonyWilson wrote:[Al Swearengen]You mean to tell me, that some cocksucking ingrates from HBO don't think I have enough clout and general fuckin prescence of mind to claw, scrape, hoodwink, and forcefully fuckin persuade these pampered studly assed couch living gentlemen to watch me over some motherfucking greaseball iiitalian the one I desire? Even my gimp gots more brains than those cuntstruck sonsabitch executives[/Al Sweargen]


That would be SOOOOO better without the damn word substitutions.
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Postby Mimekiller on Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:11 pm

as long as I dont get a cliffhanger ala carnivale I will be happy at the end of this season
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Postby Pacino86845 on Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:54 am

Keepcoolbutcare wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:though the dialogue juts out, seems a little artificial at times...


the profanity, the Shakespearean tone, or both?

I don't think it's a stretch to say that people, even the dregs of 1870's society, spoke the King's English far better than their socioeconomic counterparts of today. Maybe not to that extent, but Milch, former English professor at Yale (and according to IMDB, frat brother of Dubya!), spent over a year researching the town and era. Having myself read several "authentic frontier" letters from around that period, it's a wee bit theatric, but the versimilutde is at times just spot on.

As for the 'cussin, Milch has said the following...

And the one thing upon which everyone agreed was that the profanity and obscenity was astounding. It was overwhelming. People who would visit would report that they simply couldn't believe the way people spoke out there.
…the idea of community without law, of how people comport themselves in the absence of any governing principle is fundamental to the conception of the show. And the language, the lawlessness of the language is, first of all, something that I hope people will get used to, but it establishes an atmosphere, verbally, in which anything is possible. It is rejection of everything, except brute force.


In the past, there was a heavy distinction between written English and spoken English. And I wasn't questioning the authenticity, I know almost nothing of that period in time, so in general I usually trust a show's/book's creator(s) to have done their research.

Cussing in general doesn't disturb me, nor does showy cussing, but somethin' didn't smell right in that first ep. Swear words/expressions seemed to sometimes be placed in there for arbitrary reasons. Film/television dialogue, no matter how realistic you think it might be, is not real life dialogue. Otherwise, half of a film's length would consist of characters saying hello and good bye, and all sorts of banalities.

Finally, I don't necessarily chalk all of this up to the writing, but like I said I think it's more that everyone was just finding their legging with the first ep. It's still a helluva start for a show, and I'm mostly pleased with that first ep, great introduction for the assortment of characters in Deadwood.

7/10, now leave me alone! :D
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Postby RogueScribner on Fri Jun 02, 2006 6:21 am

Brocktune wrote:those were my sentimonies exactly, when i first started watching it. just hang on, somewhere between ep 3 and 5, i think the quality will really start to sink in.




You mean episode 4? ;)
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Postby Doc Holliday on Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:57 am

Balls. As disappointing ends go, this is right up there with Hickok himself...
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Postby Peven on Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:04 am

what a fucking buzzkill. i just finished rewatching season 1, to prep for watching through season 2 since it just came out on dvd, and i wonder what kind of shit for brains logic the execs over at HBO are using in not giving a full 4th season a greenlight. most of the time Deadwood is better written and acted than feature films coming out of Hollywood, and watching two episodes in a row is better time spent than watching almost any movie released nowadays.
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Postby badbrad on Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:00 am

Peven wrote:most of the time Deadwood is better written and acted than feature films coming out of Hollywood, and watching two episodes in a row is better time spent than watching almost any movie released nowadays.


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How about " nothing up this sleeve...nothing up this sleeve... and, finally, nothing up THIS sleeve.
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Postby The Vicar on Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:03 am

And, oh by the way, this decision ( about shitcanning Deadwood) is pure and unadulterated bollocks.

Why is it so damned hard to keep quality on the Boob Tube?
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Postby Carolian on Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:53 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

First Arrested Development, now this?!

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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:12 am

badbrad wrote:
Peven wrote:most of the time Deadwood is better written and acted than feature films coming out of Hollywood, and watching two episodes in a row is better time spent than watching almost any movie released nowadays.


amen to that


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Postby Peven on Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:24 am

Keepcoolbutcare wrote:
badbrad wrote:
Peven wrote:most of the time Deadwood is better written and acted than feature films coming out of Hollywood, and watching two episodes in a row is better time spent than watching almost any movie released nowadays.


amen to that


*crosses Peven off "The List"*

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man, i LOVE that show. it is a running gag now for me to say "you know, this show is better than most movies" during every episode i watch when my wife is in the room. fact is, its true. as rough and harsh as it is, imo it also has more heart and depth and insight into the human condition than most "serious' dramas too. how many hollywood movies have that level of writing, direction, and acting? name another actor who commands the screen the way Ian McShane does as Swearengen. the soundtrack is great too and one of my favorite cd's i have bought in the last couple years. i tell ya, i LOVE that show.
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Postby Keepcoolbutcare on Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:33 am

Deadwood, bringing ideological enemies together since 1876...

I don't know about sucking, but you can lick my balls anytime Peven.
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Postby Peven on Sat Jun 03, 2006 12:46 am

Keepcoolbutcare wrote:Deadwood, bringing ideological enemies together since 1876...

I don't know about sucking, but you can lick my balls anytime Peven.


aahhh yes, you DO have a way with words, KBC, you motherfucking dirt worshipping heathen of a cocksucker. :P :wink:
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Postby Pacino86845 on Sat Jun 03, 2006 7:32 pm

Just finished Season 1, only took two days to go through the whole set.

Well, I'm sold on Deadwood. Come hither, Season 2 you cocksucker.

How long is this show lasting? :(/:)
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Postby Brocktune on Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:21 pm

the third (and apparently final) season starts this month.... i think.
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Postby Flumm on Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:53 pm

I only realised the other day, that season one I think it is, has been playing on a free digital channel over here, to my complete and utter ignorance.

:x

Usually, I wouldn't even think about stepping in to something mid season cold like this but with all the praise I've been hearing from you guys for so long now...

Is it worth it? Am I going to miss out on savouring the pays offs, enjoying the full arc of the season if I just step into it? What with the scripts, music and such, Is the experience worth it in and of its self? Or should I wait untill I'm in a position to buy/dl them all at once?

Baring in mind I have no idea how far they are through the season...
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Postby Brocktune on Sat Jun 03, 2006 8:58 pm

you might have a hard time understanding all of the particulars of some arcs. but that wouldnt be as much of a concern, as missing out on the feelings you build up for the characters, that you might not get, if you dont watch from the beginning. but since that shit is out on dvd, and the *hacktorrentscough*, if you arent too far behind, you might think about watching. or maybe just watch one, and then if you find yourself drawn to it, just download... uh, i mean buy the first season, and watch from the beginning. i think the emotional sincerity might appeal to you dude.
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Postby Flumm on Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:18 pm

Cheers, Brock. I feel guilty about even raising this now. How long have I heard you preach the good word about Deadwood? Too long for me not make it a priority it seems.

It's pretty much a back and forth computer situation which has dictated me being able to view anything at a decent quality or to being able to view anything at all lately. Sigh, I've languised too long in this mire of technological suckage. And when it comes at the expense of ma' input, just can't be tolerated any longer. I'm putting all resources into rectifying said situation as of tommorow, dang it.


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Postby Chairman Kaga on Sat Jun 03, 2006 9:36 pm

Peven wrote:
Keepcoolbutcare wrote:
badbrad wrote:
Peven wrote:most of the time Deadwood is better written and acted than feature films coming out of Hollywood, and watching two episodes in a row is better time spent than watching almost any movie released nowadays.


amen to that


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I love the show but to play Devil's advocate...Is it truly fair to compare a two hour movie with Deadwood? I mean don't the writers gain a great deal of time in which to tell a story with what thirteen 45-55 minute episodes? Thus they can delve deeper into the human condition then a film..
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