The Wire: Best TV Series Ever?

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Best. Show. Evar?

You're goddamn right it is, nothing else touches it
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It's good, but I wouldn't go overboard with the praise, buddy
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Run-of-the-mill stuff
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Just another shitty cop show
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Fans of the show shouldn't even think twice... but too bad it's only a 24-hour deal, otherwise I'd tell you to rent the first season or "something," 'cause if you enjoy the first season (I think it has 12 1-hour episodes) then the rest of the series is pretty consistent, with the highlight, IMO, being season 4.
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so sorry wrote:
Pacino86845 wrote:If you like realistic police procedural films/shows, you will love The Wire... otherwise there's still a good chance that you'll love it, but ya never know. That's an amazing deal for those DVDs.

I was at Best Buy yesterday afternoon, and I had the 1st Season Set in my hands for about 15 minutes (for 35 bucks). But I ultimately put it back... still, as cheap as 100 bucks is for 4 seasons, I just can't bring my self to do it!
Do It, it takes a while to get into but once you have there is no going back.

I can't imagine anyone who's got past the first couple of episodes has ever given up on this show. At $100 it's an absolute bargain.
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I considered trying take up the deal (and risking import tax and expensive postage etc.) but I already have Seasons 2 and 3 on DVD :(
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I just ordered the Amazon set. It's like 70 euro's including shipment. These sets are 40 euro's a piece in Holland! So even with tax charge (adds 16 euro's) it's a great deal! I wonder if this is also a sign for a Blu-ray release in the near future... if that's the case I'll probably end up regretting the purchase. But -- they'll probably release the complete Sopranos and Rome on Blu first. And the blu-ray set for the wire will probably be like 70 euro's a piece.
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It was never even shot in HD or Widescreen so I highly doubt there will ever be a Blu-Ray release which would be vastly better in quality.
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John-Locke wrote:It was never even shot in HD or Widescreen so I highly doubt there will ever be a Blu-Ray release which would be vastly better in quality.
It was shot on film. So the resolution for a HD release is there. More on the Wire's cinematography can be found here.
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Well after three different people whose opinion I respect recommended this show I finally checked it out. About 5 episodes into the 1st season and I'm loving it.

I have to say so far some of my favorite moments are just D'angelo, Wallace, and the other local pawns talking in the pit.

Now I'm getting the fuck out of this thread to avoid any spoilers.
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DaleTremont wrote:Well after three different people whose opinion I respect recommended this show I finally checked it out. About 5 episodes into the 1st season and I'm loving it.

I have to say so far some of my favorite moments are just D'angelo, Wallace, and the other local pawns talking in the pit.

Now I'm getting the fuck out of this thread to avoid any spoilers.
Glad to hear your digging it Dale!

I remember it taking about that many episodes to really get into it but if your already loving it your on the fast track to fandom.
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Yeah, if you're liking it at that point then you'll end up proclaiming it to be the greatest show ever by the end of Season 3 at the very least.

Some people have said to me that they found the beginning of Season 2 a bit jarring though which I suppose I agree with. Nevertheless, I re-watched it recently and it was much better than I remember. It's virtually impossible to rank the seasons IMO - altho I would say that Season 4 probably edges it. 1-3 & 5 I can't rank though!
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Well I won't lie- there are still some characters whose names I'm a little fuzzy on! I mean the sheer volume of information they threw at you in the first couple episodes was pretty daunting, but even if you don't have all the facts sorted it's just such amazing writing.

I have a bunch of time to kill now too so I'll probably be at season 3 in the next week or so :D
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The entire series can be seen as one long story really, but particularly from season 3 onwards... you could play the last three seasons as one long super-season IMO, and it's friggin' awesome!! Season 2 is nice 'cause it really stands out from the rest of the show, more so than the fifth season I'd say, and yet is just as rewarding as the other seasons... with the exception of the fourth, which is among the best seasons of any show EVAR!
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Was talking to an editor from a magazine called 'man about town'...she did an interview with one of the cast.Said it was the best series ever.

Still have to see.
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I just finished season 1 and I can't believe those fuckers shot Wallace! I loved Wallace.

What amazes me about this show is how well little things are set up episodes and episodes before they end up being played out. Like McNulty grinning after Rawls asks him where he doesn't want to be placed or Greggs' girlfriend touching that spot of blue highlight on her couch. It's all just so perfectly constructed but still so organic.

Okay...I'll stop popping in to go down on this show. I'm coming wayyy too late to the party :oops:
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DaleTremont wrote:I just finished season 1 and I can't believe those fuckers shot Wallace! I loved Wallace.

What amazes me about this show is how well little things are set up episodes and episodes before they end up being played out. Like McNulty grinning after Rawls asks him where he doesn't want to be placed or Greggs' girlfriend touching that spot of blue highlight on her couch. It's all just so perfectly constructed but still so organic.

Okay...I'll stop popping in to go down on this show. I'm coming wayyy too late to the party :oops:
I was a latecomer too. I only started watching it as the final season started showing. And I totally agree about well they handle small details. I think my favourite instance of them doing it was in season three (or maybe four), but I can't say what it was yet 'cause I don't want to spoil it.
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Ok I haven't read a single post in this thread, but i just started watching Season 1 of The Wire and I see the light.

I had previously watched Season 1 and thought to myself: "What is the big deal?" But now rewatching it...I see it. I see the layers and textured storytelling.

I can't wait to watch more.
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Yee, the amazon set arrived today! No customs -- SHOCK -- that never happends with sets above a 33 dollar value. But anyways, started season 1 again. Right from the first minute it's as brilliant as ever. Now I gotta convert some friends who still see the sopranos as the holy grail of television, this show easily equals it -- hell surpasses it imho. 8-)
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I just finished S3.

Hyperbole be damned, that was the best season of a tv show I've ever watched. Period.
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VegasRon wrote:I just finished S3.

Hyperbole be damned, that was the best season of a tv show I've ever watched. Period.
Your 1 season short. Season 4 is the best season of television ever.
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stereosforgeeks wrote:
VegasRon wrote:I just finished S3.

Hyperbole be damned, that was the best season of a tv show I've ever watched. Period.
Your 1 season short. Season 4 is the best season of television ever.
You were absolutely correct.
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VegasRon wrote:
stereosforgeeks wrote:
VegasRon wrote:I just finished S3.

Hyperbole be damned, that was the best season of a tv show I've ever watched. Period.
Your 1 season short. Season 4 is the best season of television ever.
You were absolutely correct.
10 out of 10 people whove wathed The Wire agree, season 4 is the bees knees (or something like that anyway).
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stereosforgeeks wrote:10 out of 10 people whove wathed The Wire agree, season 4 is the bees knees (or something like that anyway).
I'd rank them S4, S3, S1, S2 and S5, which was a bit of a dissapointment for me.

Still, this is my all-time favorite series now. I can't believe it not only never won an emmy, I think it was only nominated once. Once? Really? Yet that crappy ass John Adams miniseries wins anything at all?
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instant_karma wrote:
DaleTremont wrote:I just finished season 1 and I can't believe those fuckers shot Wallace! I loved Wallace.

What amazes me about this show is how well little things are set up episodes and episodes before they end up being played out. Like McNulty grinning after Rawls asks him where he doesn't want to be placed or Greggs' girlfriend touching that spot of blue highlight on her couch. It's all just so perfectly constructed but still so organic.

Okay...I'll stop popping in to go down on this show. I'm coming wayyy too late to the party :oops:
I was a latecomer too. I only started watching it as the final season started showing. And I totally agree about well they handle small details. I think my favourite instance of them doing it was in season three (or maybe four), but I can't say what it was yet 'cause I don't want to spoil it.
So out of curiosity, was it when Bodie got killed by Marlow's people for being a snitch...the set up being the fact that he and Poot had been the ones to kill Wallace for the same reason in season 1? Because that was one fucking amazing instance of how all things come full circle in the show...
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I watched this entire series over the course of about six weeks and I think it's safe to say, yes, The Wire is the best television show ever made. And not just by a little.

I can't even speak about the show without getting all hopped-up and drifting into hyperbole, because I think it's about 99.5% perfect television. The acting. The casting. The locations. The restrained-yet-precise direction. And holy shit, the motherfucking writing. This thing is brilliant, top to bottom, and I think it should be studied in schools. In Engligh. In History. In Civics and Economics; in Psychology and Sociology. This show is a masterwork about who were are as a people in this time and this place, and to say it was eye-opening to me, a guy of relative privilege, doesn't even begin to tell the tale. I've seen "down and out" stories about a wounded American Dream, but this was the first time I ever got it.

I could blather on for hours about what an accomplishment the whole thing is, but if you've seen the show you know and if you haven't you owe it to yourself to find out. I know I'm the 10,000th person to say this, but I truly believe The Wire is The Great American Novel.
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I dunno how many eyes will graze this post today...

but ATTENTION FELLOW CANUCKS!!!!

Amazon.ca is selling The Wire: The Complete Series for $102.99 "today only"!! I just ordered my copy... if you're a fan of the show, this is by far the best deal you're gonna get on the complete series in Canada for a while.
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Dar!

Thanks for fueling my impulse buying, Pacino
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My pleasure! :wink:
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This is the first time in my life I've ever been jealous not to be Canadian.
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Around Christmas time Amazon in the US was selling the series for 90 bucks, I think I remember Herc posting about it on the main page. But I don't think that makes you feel any better... :oops:
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The BBC start showing it tonight (BBC2 11:20pm - yeah good scheduling there BBC well done)

I am moderately happy about this because Royal Mail lost my DVDs of The Wire.
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Gerald Fried wrote:The BBC start showing it tonight (BBC2 11:20pm - yeah good scheduling there BBC well done)

I am moderately happy about this because Royal Mail lost my DVDs of The Wire.

I'd probably watch this, if it wasn't on every night. That's going to fill up the Tivo pretty quick!

Especially if they are going to show all 5 series stripped!
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I'm DEFINATELY UP FOR THIS!!!!!

It's been recommended by everyone on the board so I'm going to give it its viewing statistics.
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Excellent work, Papa.
You know I'm rather convinced by the argument that BBC2 and that bloody arsehole Ben Stephenson scheduled The Wire at a time that will doom it to a tiny share of the audience thereby giving Stephenson et al some evidence for their argument that viewers just aren't interested in truly quality drama. Which is patently bullshit but the fucktarded execs can then recommission Holby City and Mistresses and claim it's what the people want.
So yes, Papalazeru, please tune into all the eps you possibly can and if it's a success perhaps the beeb might just be forced to take on more really groundbreaking and important drama.
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TonyWilson wrote:Excellent work, Papa.
You know I'm rather convinced by the argument that BBC2 and that bloody arsehole Ben Stephenson scheduled The Wire at a time that will doom it to a tiny share of the audience thereby giving Stephenson et al some evidence for their argument that viewers just aren't interested in truly quality drama. Which is patently bullshit but the fucktarded execs can then recommission Holby City and Mistresses and claim it's what the people want.
So yes, Papalazeru, please tune into all the eps you possibly can and if it's a success perhaps the beeb might just be forced to take on more really groundbreaking and important drama.
The BBC's Seinfeld Slot is usually a sign that someone in the chain of command probably doesn't really have confidence in it.

...despite pretty every review of it using some form of the phrase "best TV show ever".

Surprised they didn't dump it on to BBC Three after "Snog, Marry Avoid" and the nth repeat of Two Pints.
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TonyWilson wrote:Excellent work, Papa.
You know I'm rather convinced by the argument that BBC2 and that bloody arsehole Ben Stephenson scheduled The Wire at a time that will doom it to a tiny share of the audience thereby giving Stephenson et al some evidence for their argument that viewers just aren't interested in truly quality drama. Which is patently bullshit but the fucktarded execs can then recommission Holby City and Mistresses and claim it's what the people want.
So yes, Papalazeru, please tune into all the eps you possibly can and if it's a success perhaps the beeb might just be forced to take on more really groundbreaking and important drama.
Considering I own a viewing statistics box, my dog and cat are counting as 2 people and I'm always going to be having friends round about then.

Maybe we can get a better time. I don't want them to do what they did with Arrested Development.
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Few things to consider Papa:

Don't miss an Episode or leave the room briefly, if you do you wont have a clue what's going on at a latter date, sometimes missing the smallest thing can leave you confused seasons later.

Don't give up after the first episode, it takes 2 or 3 episodes to get what the show is about.

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And guess what should happen to be delivered an hour ago - the replacement set for the one Royal Mail lost.
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I know I'm a minority on this one, but I do think Season One's the best. It seemed to get a little dissipated and lose some of that realism that made it stand out so much to begin with when it kept on stepping it up a gear with the later seasons. Then again, I guess I would say that with Clockers being my favourite Spike Lee joint and D'Angelo being my favourite character. :(

That being said, every season is indispensable. If the BBC keeps this up, I might just forgive them for smothering Jade Goody's pig face all over prime time a couple of weeks ago.
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I'm curious: would the language, violence etc. have any role in BBC2's decision to air the show as late as they are? Would they be compelled to make edits if they showed it any earlier? What are the broadcast standards like in the UK?

CTV started showing The Sopranos unedited at 9p back in 2000, which caused some controversy, but ultimately they were only censured for not featuring warnings following every commercial break, instead of merely at the beginning of the show.

The Canadian Broadcast Standards Council's full decision on the matter makes for some pretty interesting reading.
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The "watershed" on our channels is 9pm - anything shown from that time onwards is not for children.

It does seem to depend on the context though, as the main soaps seem to get away with more adult themed content before the watershed (because they claim it adresses the "issues") I think Channel4 showed the Sopranos at about 10pm here.
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I see. They mention 9pm as a significant time in the decision above too, but it's very unusual for network (versus cable) TV to go into R-rated territory at any time in Canada. The Sopranos case was pretty unique, and nobody including CTV has taken advantage of the breakthrough since. Global started airing Big Love during the writer's strike, but what little I saw of the first episode led me to believe they were editing. (I swear they blurred out Bill's ass as he jumped into bed with Margene, but it happened really fast.)

Of course if, say, NBC took it upon themselves to air The Sopranos unedited, even at 11pm, the FCC would probably commandeer tanks from the National Guard and start razing affiliates.
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RaulMonkey wrote:I see. They mention 9pm as a significant time in the decision above too, but it's very unusual for network (versus cable) TV to go into R-rated territory at any time in Canada. The Sopranos case was pretty unique, and nobody including CTV has taken advantage of the breakthrough since. Global started airing Big Love during the writer's strike, but what little I saw of the first episode led me to believe they were editing. (I swear they blurred out Bill's ass as he jumped into bed with Margene, but it happened really fast.)

Of course if, say, NBC took it upon themselves to air The Sopranos unedited, even at 11pm, the FCC would probably commandeer tanks from the National Guard and start razing affiliates.
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So, German Cable TV decided to air The Wire......and to cancel it after season two.....
FUCK!
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The Wire: Best TV Series Ever?
Absolutely.
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I've been gradually rewatching The Wire through my pretty-beautiful cheaply (relatively) bought complete series box set...

The second time around, season 1 still holds up as television nigh perfection. Getting through the second season though, some parts made me quizzically raise up an eyebrow as logic was at times tossed aside for dramatic effect. Notably I'm thinking of the end when Sobotka, a key witness that our favorite wire-tappers should've been keen on protecting, is sent waltzing off... and we all know what happens then.

I remember getting a real kick out of the second season the first time around, but this time it felt a bit uneven at times, particularly how they sort of kept the Barksdale arc going in parallel to the docks... however I still appreciate that the show creators chose to go this route.

Now onto season 3, which had felt a little plodding during my first viewing... this is all relatively speaking of course, as even the show's weaker seasons are far superior to those of other series(es).
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John-Locke wrote: Don't give up after the first episode, it takes 2 or 3 episodes to get what the show is about.
You're right.

Once I'd watched "The Buys" it all clicked into place.
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Re: The Wire: Best TV Series Ever?

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Watched about 1/2 an hour of this but all I could hear was JL's voice in my ear saying 'Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!Best TV Series Ever!!!'. So I just looked at every single clip of this movie waiting for something explosive to happen that was not like anything else I had ever seen in the history of the universe that would show me why it is the Best TV Series Ever!!! - but just got impatient and bored so I switched over to watch Party Girls on the party channel. Sorry, but at least I tried. Wow! Lola is on wearing leather boots. She's my favourite!
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Re: The Wire: Best TV Series Ever?

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gentleman

But whatever man, you are the one missing out, not me. I think if you gave it a chance you'd agree with the majority of those who've seen it and proclaim it the best piece of TV EVER, some (like me) would even go so far as to call it the greatest piece of fiction ever (which means better than any Film or Book too).
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LOL, read more books!
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Re: The Wire: Best TV Series Ever?

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Currently watching The Wire on TV right now but I can't shake off JL's voice in my head saying that it is 'The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!The best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! So I just looked at every single clip of this movie waiting for something to make my cock to explode wide open and incriminate all rats inside my apartment as what I was watching was not like anything else I had ever seen in the history of the universe that would show me why it is the the best piece of fiction of ALL mediums (deep breath) EVAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! - but just got impatient and bored so I switched over to watch 2 Fast 2 Furious, but then went back to playing Shania Twain singing Forever and For Always on my Ipod. She's my favourite!
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Re: The Wire: Best TV Series Ever?

Post by Fried Gold »

...I don't know how so many of you managed to watch this one episode a week over five years. I've watched the whole first season in over days and want the next one.

"The Hunt" - Before this Major Rawls is shown to be a bit of an dick, mismanaging his department but getting by because of talented detectives. Then during the aftermatch to Greggs' shooting, he actually shows character and leadership, seemingly taking good control of the situation and managing his staff well.

What do you think caused this? Is his usual conduct just a consequence of being stuck in middle-management role?
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